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June 2006 in Iraq - History


June 2006 in Iraq
US Casualties

June 3rd 2006 Ð Central Basra was rocked by a bomb blast in a market. The bomber killed 27 people and wounded another 67.

June 4th- Gunmen set up a fake checkpoint North of Baghdad. They stopped two mini-buses and killed 20 passengers. Among those killed were students on their way to exams

June 7th The leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed by an American bombing of the house that he was in. American intelligence was able to locate Zaraqawi and call in an air strike to kill him

June 13th. A series of bombing went off across Kirkurk. The bombs killed two dozens Iraqis during rush hour. Included in the dead were leading police officials and security personnel.

June 16th Ð An American checkpoint near the city of Yusifya was attacked. One American was killed and two more were listed as missing. On the same day 11 Iraqis Shittes were killed when a suicide bomber blew himself up amidst a crowd of worshipers at a mosque. All together 16 Iraqis were killed around the country.

June 21st Ð A group of 40 to 50 gunmen arrived at a factory in Northwestern Baghdad and rounded up all of their employees and their familily members. They were then forced to board buses and taken to a farm. There woman and children were released. The gunmen then divided up the Sunni from the Shites letting the Sunnis go free

June 23rd 12 Worshipers were killed when a bomb went off after Friday prayers at a Mosque in Hibhib. Hibib is the same town that Abu Muab Al-Zarqawi was killed in.


Timeline: Abu Musab al-Zarqawi

April 2006
The militant leader shows his face publicly for the first time since the insurgency began three years earlier, in a video posted on the internet. Shown dressed in black and striding through the desert, he appeals to Sunnis to support the fight against the US-led coalition. US officials say they have captured Abu Ayman, a militant with close ties to Zarqawi.

February 2006
Zarqawi is sentenced to death in absentia, for the third time, by a court in Jordan for his part in plotting chemical attacks on several sites including the US embassy.

January 2006
Zarqawi fighters blamed for string of suicide bombings against Shias in Karbala and police station north of Baghdad, killing at least 130 people. His announcement that his group is joining an umbrella organisation of Iraqi insurgents called the Shura Council of Mujahedeen is seen as an attempt to give an Iraqi face to al-Qaida in Iraq, which is believed to be composed mainly of foreign fighters.

November 2005
The group says it carried out a series of suicide bombings on three hotels that killed 60 people, mostly Sunnis, in the Jordanian capital of Amman. Thousands of Jordanians take to the streets calling for the death of Zarqawi. His own family in Jordan disown him. Claims later in the month that he has been killed during fighting in Iraq are later discounted.

September 2005
Al-Qaida in Iraq seizes control of the town of Qaim on the Syrian border as it mobilises to disrupt the referendum on a draft constitution in October. It later declares war on the country's Shia majority, claiming responsibility for a renewed wave of suicide attacks. US officials kill Abdullah Abu Azzam, the second-in-command of al-Qaida in Iraq.

August 2005
Zarqawi's group vows to kill anyone involved in drafting Iraq's new constitution. The organisation claims responsibility for a rocket attack in Jordan that narrowly missed a US warship.

July 2005
Al-Qaida in Iraq threatens to kill an Egyptian envoy, Ihab alSherif, whom the group kidnapped in Baghdad. The US announces the capture of Abu Abd-al Aziz, a high-ranking militant in the group.

June 2005
Al-Qaida in Iraq claims on an internet posting to have abducted a total of 36 Iraqi soldiers in western Iraq. US soldiers capture Muhammad Khalaf Shakar, a trusted lieutenant of Zarqawi, in the northern city of Mosul. Zarqawi claims responsibility for the assassination of Iraq's oldest MP, Dhari al-Fayadh.

May 2005
A statement on the al-Qaida in Iraq website claims Zarqawi has been injured in fighting with US troops in Iraq and asks Muslims to pray for his recovery. Reports later emerge that the militant leader has made an audiotape for Osama bin Laden to reassure him he is in good health.

April 2005
Zarqawi claims responsibility for a rocket and mortar attack on Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison and an assassination attempt on the outgoing prime minister Ayad Allawi. Later he threatens fresh attacks against the US forces in an audiotape.

March 2005
Zarqawi is given a 15-year prison sentence in absentia by a Jordanian court for plotting to bomb the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad.

February 2004
In an internet statement, Zarqawi condemns the Iraqi elections as an "American game" and vows to "continue the jihad". His group says it carried out a number of suicide bombings, including the killing of 125 people in Hillah - the single deadliest act of the insurgency - and the kidnapping of Riyadh Katei Aliwi, a colonel in the interior ministry. Iraqi officials say they have captured Talib Mikhlif Arsan Walman al-Dulaymi, a "trusted lieutenant" of Zarqawi, in a raid.

January 2004
Zarqawi vows to wage a "bitter war" against candidates and voters in the Iraqi elections at the end of the month. He claims responsibility for the assassination of Ali al-Haidri, the governor of Baghdad, as well as a number of attacks around polling day. Iraqi officials announce the arrest of a top-level bombmaker linked to Zarqawi.

December 2004
In an audiotape received by al-Jazeera a man purporting to be Osama bin Laden endorses Zarqawi as his deputy in Iraq and calls for a boycott of the elections.

November 2004
Zarqawi's followers claim responsibility for a string of attacks and call on Iraqis to rise up as American troops attack Falluja in an attempt to regain control of the city. Zarqawi releases two audiotapes posted on the internet saying the Americans were overextended and claiming his victory is not far off. US troops say they have discovered a house used by Zarqawi's organisation to hold hostages October 2004
A video showing the British engineer Ken Bigley being beheaded by Zarqawi's group is released. He changes the name of his group from Tawhid and Jihad to al-Qaida in Iraq.

September 2004
Video footage showing the beheading of two Americans, Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley, who were kidnapped alongside the British engineer Ken Bigley, is posted on an Islamist website by Zarqawi's group.

July 2004
US sets $25m (about £14m) bounty for Zarqawi.

May 2004
Zarqawi claims responsibility for a series of attacks, including a suicide car bombing that killed the head of the Iraqi governing council. He says he personally beheaded the US hostage Nicholas Berg in April.

October 2003
President Bush alleges that Zarqawi received medical treatment in Baghdad during the US bombing of Afghanistan, thus establishing a link between Iraq and al-Qaida. The Americans say he might have helped Islamist fighters in Iraq experiment with chemical and biological weapons.

August 2003
Zarqawi claims responsibility for the truck bombing of the UN headquarters in Baghdad, which killed 22 people, and an attack on a Shia shrine in Najaf, seen by many as the start of the insurgency.

February 2003
Zarqawi's presence in Iraq is cited by the US secretary of state Colin Powell as proof of a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaida. US intelligence later casts doubt on the connection.

September 2002
Zarqawi returns illegally to Jordan, and a month later a US diplomat, Laurence Foley, is assassinated in the capital, Amman. He then sets himself up in Iraq, most likely in Falluja.

2001
When the US attacks begin, he flees the country, probably to a small pocket of Kurdish-dominated northern Iraq held by al-Qaida sympathisers.

2000
Having adopted the name Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, he returns to Afghanistan to set up a training camp, where he is believed to have been in contact with Osama Bin Laden.

1992-1998
He returns to his home town in Jordan, where he is arrested after guns and explosions are found at his home. He spends six years in prison where he is thought to have adopted an extremist strain of Islam.

Late 1980s
Travels to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, although the war is almost over by the time he arrives.

October 20 1966 Born Ahmad Fadil Nazal al-Khalayel in the town of Zarqa, Jordan, into the Bani Hassan Bedouin tribe.


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On June 16, 2006, Tucker, Menchaca and Babineau volunteered to guard an armoured vehicle-launched bridge over a Euphrates River canal near Yusufiyah, south of Baghdad. This area was within the Triangle of Death, an area of intense conflict. Their mission was to protect the bridge from insurgents. The soldiers were expected to guard this point for up to 36 hours with no barrier to block bridge access or any cover other than a single Humvee and the unmanned bridging vehicle. Other members of their platoon were located at two other locations nearly three-quarters of a mile away. At 7:49 p.m., small arms fire was heard coming from their check point. When a quick reaction force arrived, nearly twenty-five minutes later, Babineau was found dead and the other two soldiers were missing. ΐ] Α] Β] Γ]


Study: 151,000 Iraqis slain as of June 2006

(CNN) -- A study published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 Iraqis died of violent causes between March 2003, when the war began, and June 2006.

An Iraqi mourner carries the coffin of a relative killed by a car bomb in Baghdad.

This is much lower than a national survey published in the Lancet journal that put the number during the same period at more than 600,000, but higher than the figures compiled from media reports by the Iraq Body Count, which registered more than 47,000 deaths, the study said.

"Although the estimated range is substantially lower than a recent survey-based estimate, it nonetheless points to a massive death toll, only one of many health and human consequences of an ongoing humanitarian crisis," the study said, referring to the large numbers in the Lancet report.

The World Health Organization provided technical assistance for the journal survey, and interviewers were employees of Iraq's Health Ministry. The study was paid for by the U.N. Development Group Iraq Trust Fund, the WHO and the European Commission. The study, which also included a mental health survey, cost $1.6 million.

The estimate, part of a larger survey of family health in the war-torn country, was gleaned from interviews conducted in 9,345 households in nearly 1,000 neighborhoods and villages.

"Assessment of the death toll in conflict situations is extremely difficult and household survey results have to be interpreted with caution," said study co-author Mohamed Ali, a WHO statistician quoted in a WHO news release about the study. "However, in the absence of comprehensive death registration and hospital reporting, household surveys are the best we can do."

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Violence became a "leading cause of death for Iraqi adults and was the main cause of death in men between the ages of 15 and 59 years during the first three years after the 2003 invasion," the study said.

The study indicated that "on average, 128 Iraqis per day died of violent causes in the first year following the invasion" and that the daily average violent death toll was 115 in the second year and 126 in the third year. More than half of the violent deaths occurred in Baghdad. Before the war started, from January 2002 to March 2003, about a half-dozen violent deaths were reported daily, the study said.

WHO makes reference to the Lancet study conducted by Johns Hopkins University and Baghdad's University and published in October 2006. The organization said that involved 1,849 households in 47 clusters, a lower number of samples than the new study.

It also refers to the Iraq Body Count, saying it "is likely to underestimate violent deaths "because a substantial number" don't show up in the media being monitored. At the same time, it says "trends seen in the Iraq Body Count figures are consistent with those observed in our survey."

In the WHO/Iraqi Health Ministry study, violent deaths are considered "intentional" or attributable to "armed conflict." Suicides, road accident deaths and unintentional deaths are not included.

The authors of the latest study indicate that there probably is underreporting in the study because of population movement, inherent errors posed by dealing with samples, and inability to visit some households because of security problems. E-mail to a friend


In Memory of the June-1967 War

Suicide Attack on Israel by an Iraqi Plane

Major General Pilot Alwan Hassoun

Brigadier General Sobhi Nathem Tawfiq

Translated from Arabic by Wefa M. S.

At the outbreak of the June-5 war in 1967, and after the destruction of most of the air bases and planes of the confrontation countries of Egypt, Jordan and Syria by the Israeli army, Iraq took the initiative before noon on June 5, 1967, to participate effectively in the war, as follows:-

At 10:00 of the same day, while the Sixth Squadron of the Iraqi Air Force was stationed at Al-Waleed Air Base west of Iraq, and equipped with Hawker Hunter fighters, the squadron command received an order from Commander Lieutenant-General Abdel Moneim Riyad (of the Eastern Front) directing an immediate air strike on the Israeli Sirkin air base east of Tel Aviv.

Immediately five planes were loaded with 24 18-pound missiles each. Maps were prepared and the pilots who were selected to carry out the first mission were:

1. Captain Adel Suleiman, commander of the squadron.

2. First Lieutenant Pilot Faisal Abdul Mohsen.

3. Pilot Lieutenant Hazem Hassan Qassem.

4. Pilot Lieutenant Fadel Mustafa Hassoun.

5. Pilot Lieutenant Imad Ezzat

Israeli air base was successfully bombed, and the five planes returned within one hour to Al-Waleed Air Base safely and without losses. It became clear two days later and after the capture of an Israeli pilot whose plane was shot down on June 7 near Al-Waleed Air Base by the pilots of the Iraqi Mig-21 fighters, that (according to his statement) the strike was accurate in terms of causing great losses in the Israeli force resulting in dozens of dead paratroopers who were on board Israeli Nord Noratlas and Commando military transport planes..

On the following day, June 6, two Tupolev-16 bombers belonging to the 10th Squadron of the Iraqi Air Force, stationed at the Habbaniyah Air Base in central Iraq, each loaded with 6 tons of high-explosive bombs, were assigned to conduct an operation inside Israel in order to strike the Ramat David air base near Tel Aviv, as follows:

1. The first plane was led by Major Pilot Farouk Younis Al-Tai, assisted by Lieutenant Pilot Majid Tarki, Major Navigator Tariq Musa, Captain Navigator Adel Kamel, Chief Sergeant Shlash Saadoun and Vice Sergeant Hussein Munajid.

2- The second plane, led by Major Pilot Hussain Muhammad Hussain - graduated from the Air Force College in 1958 - despite being on sick leave, he insisted on carrying out the mission personally with the assistance of Captain Faiq Alwan - who graduated from the Air Force College in 1961 - and Captain navigator Ghazi Rashid - graduated from the Air Force College in 1962 - and first lieutenant navigator Sabeeh Abdul-Karim, the chief sergeant Rashid Idama and deputy corporal Abdul Ghani Yahya.

This delay in take-off caused a time difference of 45 minutes between the two bombers, and according to combat tactics, the element of surprise for the second plane was not achieved. Although the two planes entered Jordanian airspace and the West Bank, then flew very low to Tel Aviv, the enemy’s radars did not detect them, and accordingly, the first bomber achieved heavy strikes on the Ramat David air base, dropping twelve bombs totaling six tons of high-explosive bombs before returning from a different route toward the east and safely arriving at the Habbaniyah base.

While the Israelis were preoccupied with the destruction that occurred at that base caused by the first fighter jet, the second bombardment after 45 minutes inflicted a heavy strike and caused more destruction, but the enemy’s ground defenses were prepared to confront the American “Hawk” missiles that hit the base, so it collapsed on Palestinian land, where all the crew was killed.

Major General Pilot Alwan Hassoun

He held the position of Commander of the Iraqi Air Force and is currently a retired officer. He studied at the Iraqi Air Force Academy in 1963 and was assigned to the MiG-15 fighter aircraft in 1965. Received a Bachelor of Aviation Science from the Egyptian Air Force Academy in October 1965. He then completed a Master's degree in Military Sciences from the Iraqi Staff College of Al-Bakr University.

Brigadier General Sobhi Nathem Tawfiq

He was a Brigadier General in the former Iraqi army. He graduated from the Military College in 1964 and was elected as an officer of the Republican Guard under President Abdel Salam Aref. He obtained a master's degree in military sciences from the Staff College in 1974, then he obtained a doctorate degree in Arab-Islamic history from the University of Baghdad in 1995. He authored six books.


Prelude [ edit | edit source ]

On April 17, the prelude to the second battle of Ramadi began. Observation post Virginia, The Government center, the snake pit outpost, and Camp Ramadi all simultaneously came under heavy attack by forces led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Observation post Virginia was the target of a heavily armed vehicle-born suicide bomber. The Insurgent drove an armored yellow dump truck loaded with approximately one thousand pounds of explosives through the gate of the outpost and detonated it. Insurgents with small arms and RPGs moved in on the post and a major firefight ensued. The Marines of 3rd Battalion 8th Marines Lima Company eventually repelled the attack, killing dozens of insurgents, with only a few Marine's wounded in the attack. On or before April 25, 2006 an internet video showing the attack on Observation Post Virginia and of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi planning the attack -was released bearing the logo of the organization of the Mujahideen Shura Council (Iraq).

On June 14, U.S. and Iraqi forces in Baghdad began Operation Together Forward, an operation intended to curb the sectarian killings in the capital.

In early June 2006, the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 1st U.S. Armored Division and elements from the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 1st Armored Division were deployed to the Ramadi area from Tal Afar and Kuwait respectively and began preparations to take on the insurgents in the capital of Al Anbar province, Ramadi. Word of an offensive already gotten to the 400,000 citizens of the city who feared another Fallujah style attack. But the U.S. commander of 1/1 AD decided to take it slowly and softly, without using heavy close air support, artillery or tank fire. By June 10, U.S. troops had "cordoned off" the city. U.S. air strikes on residential areas were escalating, and US troops took to the streets with loudspeakers to warn civilians of a fierce impending attack. ⎗]

The objective of the operation was to cut off resupply and reinforcements to the insurgents in Ramadi by gaining control of the key entry points into the city. U.S. forces also planned to establish new combat outposts (COPs) and patrol bases throughout the city, moving off their forward operating bases in order to engage the population and establish relationships with local leaders.

On June 17, there were several skirmishes with the insurgents which killed two American soldiers. ⎘]

Insurgents attack Ramadi Government Center [ edit | edit source ]

US troops take cover from small arms fire while investigating a car bomb explosion in Tameem, Ramadi, August 10, 2006

The operation had some initial success but the effect that the Americans wanted to achieve did not happen. Very soon the American forces were bogged down in heavy street fighting throughout the city. Insurgents launched hit and run attacks on the newly established outposts, which were sometimes assaulted by as many as 100 insurgents at a time. In a major battle on July 24, al Qaeda forces sustained heavy casualties when they launched a number of attacks throughout the city.

The main target throughout the campaign was the Ramadi Government Center which was garrisoned by U.S. Marines who had sandbagged and barricaded the building. In an attempt to reduce attacks, U.S. forces demolished several buildings around the government center and planned to convert it into a park area.

Roadside bomb attacks and ambushes of patrols on the streets happened nearly every time the Marines went outside the wire. Sniper attacks were also a constant threat to Marines during the battle. There were also several suicide-bombing attacks on the outposts. One sniper had used the fourth story of the Ramadi General Hospital to kill a number of Marines before he was counter-sniped. ⎙] ⎚]

Ramadi General Hospital captured [ edit | edit source ]

Iraqi police prepare to enter the Ramadi hospital, July 5, 2006

At the beginning of July the American forces managed to push deep enough in to the city to reach the Ramadi General Hospital, which was captured by the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment on July 5. The Marines reported that members of al-Qaida in Iraq had been using the seven-story building, which was equipped with some 250 beds, to treat their wounded and fire on U.S. troops in the area. They said wounded Iraqi police officers who had been taken to the hospital were later found beheaded. Though there was no resistance during the operation, the Marines found about a dozen triggering devices for roadside bombs hidden above the tiled ceiling of one office. They knocked down dozens of locked doors and searched medicine chests and storage closets for additional weapons. Hospitals are considered off-limits in traditional warfare. In western Ramadi, however, insurgents have fired on Marines from the rooftop of a women and children's hospital so often that patients were moved to a wing with fewer exposed windows. ⎛]

Formation of the Anbar Awakening Council [ edit | edit source ]

Sheikh Abdul Sittar speaks with Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Lt. Gen. Ray Odierno, commander of Multi-National Corps - Iraq at Camp Ramadi, April 2, 2007. Sheikh Sittar helped spark the Anbar Awakening Movement

On August 21, insurgents killed Abu Ali Jassim, a Sunni sheik who had encouraged many of his tribesmen to join the Iraqi Police. The insurgents hid the body in a field rather than returning it for a proper burial, violating Islamic law and angering Jassim's tribesmen. Following this, 40 sheiks from 20 tribes from across Al Anbar organised a movement called the Sahwa Al Anbar (Anbar Awakening). On September 9, Sheik Sittar organised a tribal council attended by over fifty sheiks and Col. MacFarland. During this council, Sittar officially declared the Anbar Awakening underway. ⎜]

Shortly after the council, the tribes began attacking al-Qaeda in Iraq insurgents in the suburbs of Ramadi. By October, nearly every tribe in northern and western Ramadi had joined the awakening. ⎝] By December, attacks had dropped 50% according to the U.S. military. ⎚] ⎞] ⎟]

September–October [ edit | edit source ]

In mid-September 2006, the 1st Battalion, 6th Marines (1-6) relieved the 3rd Battalion, 8th Marines in western Ramadi. ⎠] The battalion commander, Lt. Col. Jurney, deployed his companies throughout the city. Alpha Company was deployed to OP VA, a combat outpost close to a large seven-story building. ⎡] Bravo Company took up position in the Ramadi Government Center and Charlie Company was deployed to OP Hawk, the main combat outpost around Ramadi General Hospital. ⎢] ⎣]

In late September, Pentagon officials announced that the troops of the 1st brigade, 1st Armored Division would have their tour extended by 46 days. ⎤] This extension was ordered to give the relieving brigade, the 1st brigade, 3rd Infantry Division time to prepare for their deployment at the start of 2007. ⎥]

In mid-October, 1-6 conducted its first major offensive, taking the large building on 17th Street in the Jumaiyah neighborhood where they established the 17th Street Security Station. This was the first joint Marine-Iraqi outpost in the city. ⎣] ⎦]

November incident [ edit | edit source ]

During heavy fighting between November 13 and November 15, U.S. forces were alleged to have killed at least 30 people, including women and children, in an airstrike in central Ramadi. Interviews by an unnamed Los Angeles Times correspondent in Ramadi supported eyewitness statements that there were civilian deaths during the fighting. Residents said the houses in an old Iraqi army officers quarters had been destroyed, including one being used as an Internet cafe. News photos showed bodies of civilians allegedly killed by coalition forces. ⎧]

A Marine spokesman disputed the account, saying that an airstrike on November 14 targeted a bridge east of Ramadi and there were many insurgent casualties in the attack. He said that on the 13th and 14th, Coalition forces killed 16 suspected insurgents, who had been placing IEDs and firing mortars and RPGs, in fighting in three separate incidents in Ramadi ⎨] . At least one U.S. soldier was also killed in the fighting. ⎧] The spokesman did not respond to inquiries about the number of civilian dead, but admitted that it was often difficult for coalition forces to distinguish between insurgents and civilians and did not confirm or deny that some collateral damage may have occurred. He neither responded to inquiries made by The Times regarding the number of homes destroyed or tank rounds fired in the fighting. ⎧] ⎩]


Saturday, June 10, 2006

Worth a Listen

If you're around Sunday night, I'd encourage you to listen to the replay of my weekly radio show, "The Patriot Insider," from 7-9 p.m. CDT. You can listen online at www.am1280thepatriot.com.
My guest the first hour is Andy Davis, former Army Ranger who fought in Haditha, the terrorist snake pit that is currently in the news. You'll hear the other half of the story, which is mostly being ignored by the media.
As Davis explains, Haditha is at the center of the terrorist pipeline from Lebanon and Syria. There are daily firefights there between Al Qaeda and Coalition forces. Davis and his 150-man Ranger platoon went in there in 2003 for what was supposed to be a six-hour mission to secure the road across the Haditha Dam, one of the only main highways that crosses the Tigris and Euphrates north of Baghdad. 13 days later, they temporarily secured the area. During the fighting, three of Davis's buddies were killed when a pregnant woman detonated herself and took them with her.
Imagine the scenario had been different. Imagine that the Rangers had recognized her as a threat and killed her before she had a chance to blow up herself and them. These Rangers could very well be the soldiers on trial now for "committing atrocities" in Haditha.
It's a compelling 45 minutes of radio. Davis also talks about the challenges soldiers face as they come back from Iraq and try and reintegrate into a society that's often openly hostile to the war and indifferent to the challenges our soldiers face. Particularly on our college campuses.


U.S. Strike Hits Insurgent at Safehouse

BAGHDAD, Iraq, June 8 — Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, was killed in an American airstrike on an isolated safe house north of Baghdad at 6:15 p.m. local time on Wednesday, top American and Iraqi officials said today. Islamic militant Web sites linked to Al Qaeda quickly confirmed the death, saying Mr. Zarqawi had been rewarded with "martyrdom" for his role in the war here.

At a joint news conference with Iraq's prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the top American military commander in Iraq, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., said Mr. Zarqawi's body had been positively identified by fingerprints, "facial recognition" and "known scars."

Six people were killed in the strike: Mr. Zarqawi, his spiritual adviser and four other people including a woman and a child, the military said. The strike had been accompanied by a ground assault involving American and Iraqi troops.

The announcement of Mr. Zarqawi's death, shortly before noon today in Baghdad, 4 a.m. Eastern time, marked a major watershed in the war. With a $25 million American bounty on his head, the Jordanian-born Mr. Zarqawi has been the most-wanted man in Iraq for his leadership of Islamic terrorist groups that have carried out many of the most brutal attacks of the war, including scores of suicide bombings, kidnappings and beheadings. In his late 30's, he had been named "Prince of Al Qaeda" in Iraq by Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda's fugitive leader.

"Today, we have managed to put an end to Zarqawi," said Mr. Maliki, who took office three weeks ago at the head of Iraq's first full-term government since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. He said the death should be a warning to other insurgent leaders.

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"They should stop now," he said. "They should review their situation and resort to logic while there is still time."

Mr. Maliki, the prime minister, said the raid that killed the Al Qaeda leader had taken place in an area known as Hibhib in Diyala province, which stretches north and east of Baghdad to the Iranian border. The area, 55 miles north of Baghdad, has drawn intensified American military activity in recent weeks in response to a new wave of sectarian killings, including one on Sunday in which Sunni Arab gunmen pulled 20 people, including 7 high school students, off minibuses near Baquba, and killed them.

General Casey said an American airstrike had targeted "a single dwelling in a wooded area surrounded by very dense palm forest" five miles west of Baquba, and that "precision munitions" had been used, a phrase that usually refers to laser-guided bombs or missiles. Scenes shown on BBC's World Service television showed a large pile of rubble, apparently from a concrete-framed building of at least two stories, set in an area bounded by palm trees.

The BBC footage showed Iraqi villagers clambering over the rubble, with no sign of American or Iraqi troops. The villagers pulled an array of belongings from the 10-foot-high pile of cinder blocks, twisted concrete pillars and steel reinforcing words, and laid them out on the bare earth beside the obliterated building. Cooking utensils, torn carpets and a child's green T-shirt were visible, as was the wreck of a white, Japanese-made pickup truck.

A CNN broadcast showed youths picking up a child's sandal and a stuffed toy after the airstrikes, which took place in a neighborhood of about 50 buildings, all in close proximity.

The senior American military spokesman in Iraq, Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, speaking at a news conference in Baghdad, said the identities of the woman and child killed in the strike had yet to be confirmed.

A framed image of Mr. Zarqawi's face after he was killed was displayed at the briefing, as was an aerial video of the two air strikes by F-16 jets, which dropped 500-pound bombs. General Caldwell said dirt and rubble had been cleaned off Mr. Zarqawi's face before the photograph was taken. He also said that Iraqi security forces had been the first to arrive at the scene and that Mr. Zarqawi's body had been removed.

General Caldwell said it took many weeks of painstaking exploitation of intelligence, until Wednesday night they had "definitive, unquestionable" knowledge of Mr. Zarqawi's location for the first time. He said after Mr. Zarqawi was killed forces went after other targets in 17 simultaneous raids in Baghdad and on the outskirts, obtaining a "treasure trove" of information.

Mr. Maliki said the attack that killed Mr. Zarqawi had resulted from a tip that came from Iraqi civilians in the area, which lies in a province, Diyala, that has an evenly balanced population of Shiite and Sunni Arabs, as well as Kurds.

The British prime minister, Tony Blair, at a news conference in London, paid tribute to the role played in the attack by coalition intelligence agencies.

"There has been very close cooperation, of course, between everyone — I mean, the Iraqis, the coalition intelligence services and so on," Mr. Blair said..

President Bush, speaking in the Rose Garden of the White House, gave another hint of what happened by thanking American special forces for their role. "Special operation forces, acting on tips and intelligence from Iraqis, confirmed Mr. Zarqawi's location, and delivered justice to the most wanted terrorist in Iraq," Mr. Bush said.

Mr. Zarqawi, whose adopted name was taken from the town of Zarqa in Jordan where the insurgent leader was raised, had assumed an almost mythic status for his long run of terrorist attacks and statements issued on Islamic militant Web sites that declared his goal to be the establishment of a new "caliphate" in Iraq. The term is taken from the term given to the vast areas of the Arab world that came under strict Islamic rule within 100 years of the death of the Prophet Mohammed in the 7th century A.D.

After twice narrowly escaping capture by American troops in the past 18 months, Mr. Zarqawi became increasingly bold in recent months, issuing videotaped speeches on Islamic militant Web sites, vowing victory against the "crusaders" who had invaded Iraq, meaning American, British and other Western forces. The speeches also called on Sunni Arabs to kill "converters," meaning Iraqi Shiites, effectively inciting civil war here.

American military commanders have said that Mr. Zarqawi personally beheaded some of those kidnapped by his followers, and identified him as the mastermind of one of the first major suicide bombing attacks, a strike in August 2003 that destroyed the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad and killed 22 people, including Sergio Viera de Mello, the head of the United Nations Mission here.

A message posted by Al Qaeda on one of its Web sites, confirming Mr. Zarqawi's death, vowed to continue what it called "the holy war" in Iraq. "We want to give you the joyous news of the martyrdom of the mujahid sheikh Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," the message said. It was signed by a man calling himself Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi," who was identified as the deputy "emir," or leader, of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

The atmosphere at the news conference announcing the killing of Mr. Zarqawi was reminiscent of a similar occasion on Dec. 13, 2003, when L. Paul Bremer III, the head of the American occupation then ruling Iraq, announced the capture of Saddam Hussein in a stifling underground bunker near Mr. Hussein's hometown of Tikrit, 100 miles north of Baghdad.

The mood then was one of triumph, with Mr. Bremer declaring "Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him!" and American military commanders describing the capture as a major turning point in the war. Those hopes were quickly disappointed as the insurgency rapidly worsened, and Mr. Hussein, now on trial in Baghdad, has used the courtroom dock as a platform to encourage the insurgents to intensify their attacks on American and Iraqi targets.

This time, the mood of the American and Iraqi leaders was more cautious, though Mr. Maliki, opening the news conference with the formal announcement of the Zarqawi killing, was greeted by celebratory shouts and cries of "Peace Be Upon Him," the traditional Islamic obeisance to the Prophet Mohammed that Muslims make at moments of joy or special significance.

General Casey, nearing the end of his second year as the American commander here, confined his remarks to a spare summary of the raid that killed Mr. Zarqawi. Unsmiling in his rimless spectacles, the 57-year-old general shook Mr. Maliki's hand vigorously after the Iraqi leader made the formal announcement of Mr. Zarqawi's death, but otherwise seemed at pains not to overstate the significance of the moment.

Mr. Zarqawi, he said, "is known to be responsible for the deaths of thousands" with his terror attacks, and his death would be a major blow to Al Qaeda.

But he added a sober note, saying that "although the designated leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq is now dead," hard fighting in the war lay ahead. "This is just a step in the process," he said.

The American ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, took a similar approach. Smiling broadly, the 55-year-old envoy described Mr. Zarqawi's death as "a great success for Iraq" in its war with terrorists, and congratulated General Casey, "whose forces carried out this very vital mission." In a personal nod to General Casey, he noted that the American commander "has been here now for more than 700 days" — an oblique way, perhaps, of saying that Mr. Zarqawi's death marked a rare upturn in the war for the force of 135,000 American troops General Casey leads, who have lost more than 2,400 soldiers dead and more than 17,000 wounded, with no end to the war in sight.

"Zarqawi was the godfather of sectarian killing in Iraq," Mr. Khalilzad said. "He led a civil war within Islam and a global war of civilizations."

To this, the ambassador added a note of caution. "Zarqawi's death will not end the violence in Iraq," he said, "but it is an important step in the right direction." He said it was also an important step for the Maliki government, new in power and facing an uphill struggle to bolster the flagging confidence of Iraqis in the ability of the Baghdad leadership to bring an end to killing that human rights groups say has cost at least 30,000 civilian lives, and possibly many more.

But "there will be difficult days ahead," Mr. Khalilzad said. He added, "I call on Iraq's various communities to take responsibility for bringing sectarian violence to an end, and for all Iraqis to unite" behind the Maliki government, which, though dominated by figures from Shiite religious groups, has a cabinet composed of representatives from all three of Iraq's principal ethnic and religious groups, Shiites, Sunni Arabs and Kurds.

For Mr. Maliki, a Shiite, the killing of Mr. Zarqawi brought immediate political results in the form of parliamentary approval, immediately after the news conference, of Mr. Maliki's nominees for the vacant security posts in the cabinet, the ministers of defense, interior and national security. After the prime minister's repeated failures to win agreement of contending groups within the government on earlier nominees, he stood at the lectern in the Parliament chamber and presented the three men who emerged from weeks of overlapping vetoes by the main Sunni and Shiite political groups.

Named as ministers were Gen. Abdul Qadr Mohammed Jassim, a former general under Saddam Hussein who was jailed in 1994 and sentenced to seven years imprisonment, as minister of defense Jawad Kadem al-Bolani, a 46-year-old Shiite engineer who was a member of Saddam Hussein's armed forces and became a member of the Iraqi Governing Council in 2003, as minister of the interior, responsible for the police and Shirwan al-Waili, a 49-year-old Shiite with a background in military engineering who was arrested in the Shiite uprising after the first Persian Gulf war, as minister of national security.

In line with an agreement reached several weeks ago between Sunni and Shiites groups, General Jassim, who has until recently been commander of land forces in the new American-trained Iraqi army, is a Sunni Arab, and Mr. Polani, the interior minister, is a Shiite. Both men stressed in remarks to the Parliament that they had no ties to any of the rival political parties in the government, a qualification that American officials had insisted on after the former government of Prime Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari was virtually immobilized over allegations that the interior ministry was sheltering Shiite death squads targeting Sunnis.


June 2006 in Iraq - History

I’m late again sorry about that. It’s not due to a lack of interest, but rather a lack of time. In light of the ongoing bloodshed in Lebanon, too, I guess I’ve been feeling unusually disheartened about the progress of Bush’s policies for bringing peace and democracy to the Middle East.

In any event, here are the updated graphs of US war deaths in Iraq for June.

As always, I’m comparing the military casualties to those from the Vietnam war at a similar point in each war’s political lifetime (which some have charged is misleading see disclaimer below). The data come from the advanced search tool at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund site, and from Lunaville’s page on Iraq coalition casualties. The figures are for the number of US dead per month, without regard to whether the deaths were combat-related.

The first graph shows the first 40 months of the comparison. (Click on any image for a larger version.)

Next, the chart that gives the US death toll for the entire Vietnam war:

Disclaimer: I’ve been accused of comparing apples to oranges in these graphs. For the record, here’s what I am not arguing:

  • I’m not saying that Iraq is somehow deadlier per soldier-on-the-ground than Vietnam. For both wars, the number of fatalities in any given month tracks pretty closely with the number of troops deployed (along with the intensity of the combat operations being conducted). There are more troops in Iraq today than were in Vietnam during the “corresponding” parts of the graphs. Similarly, for later years in Vietnam, when the monthly death toll exceeded the current Iraq numbers, there were many more troops in place.
  • I am not saying that Iraq is somehow “worse” than Vietnam. I include the first graph mainly because I wanted a zoomed-in view of the Iraq data. And I include the second graph, which shows the entire span of the Vietnam war, because I want to be clear about what the data show about overall death tolls — where any rational assessment would have to conclude that, at least so far, Iraq has been far less significant (at least in terms of US combat fatalities) than Vietnam.

I was just curious how the “death profile” of the two wars compared, and how those deaths played out in terms of their political impact inside the US. For that reason, I chose as the starting point for each graph the first fatality that a US president acknowledged (belatedly, in the case of the Vietnam graph, since US involvement in the war “began” under Kennedy, but the acknowledgement was made only later by Johnson) as having resulted from the war in question.

As ever, you are free to draw your own conclusions. And for that matter, you’re free to draw your own graphs, if you have a way of presenting the information that you believe would be better. In that case, feel free to post a comment with a URL to your own version. Thanks.

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71 Responses to “Iraq War Dead for June, 2006”

You know, there isn’t any evidence this is going to happen but isn’t it strangely ironic that there may just be an escalation in year four? I mean, attacks against civislians are up, there is more instability in the region. The only difference now is that our military is entirely voluntary and we don’t have the manpower to deal with escalation.

You’re right there is no evidence of an impending escalation. In fact, with troop casualties seeming to steadily decrease, some factors seem to indicate the opposite. With one in about every 2,500 Iraqis being involved in the insurgency, I suspect that our manpower is sufficient.

For those who seek political leverage/opportunities from troop deaths, I certainly hope their prayers for increased casualties aren’t answered.

One of our local Democrat bloggers recently posted an article in which he stated his hope for another Gander-type incident with a large body count. I could at least have respected the rare demonstration of honesty from a Democrat – if he hadn’t written an article a week earlier in which he expressed his “support for the troops.”

The ongoing bloodshed is only in Lebanon?

The political lifetime of our conflict with Iraq began in March 2003?

jbc, are the July statistics available yet?

Who do you think is hoping for our troops to die to use it for political advantage?

You musy be refering to a technique that is often employed by the GOP that is whenever there’s a debate about national security, the GOP tries to imply that the DNC is “the party of al qaeda”, or that if a Democrat is elected, we will be “surely attacked again”.

Now there’s some cheap political shots.

Thank god they have such a shitty record when it comes to security that people are starting to see through their BS, just in time I might add.

The first reaction, of course, of Hezbollah and its supporters is to declare victory. I guess I would have done the same thing if I were them,” Bush said.

George W Bush – August 18 2006

I guess that explains the Mission Accomplished rationale, and here we are some 3.5 years later, caught in the middle of a bloddy cival war.

Actually, treehugger, all I did was ask whether the July statistics were available for comparison yet.

Who do (I) think is hoping for our troops to die to use it for political advantage? Obviously, those in the anti-war/anti-Bush/anti-U.S./anti-defense (the names are interchangeable) movement.

Actually, most people in the “anti-war/anti-Bush” crowd wouldn’t “pray” for US troops deaths beacuse most of these people don’t believe in religion like the crazy folks that are the causes of all this shit. (Bin Laden, Bush etc)

I can also tell you that July 2006 saw the most Iraqi deaths since the start of this fiasco.

Sigh – it would seem to be impossible to argue with a fanatic
I anticipate that TV will turn this around to my being the frothy fanatic, but everywhere you go, there you are…

Mr Treasonous Veterinarian can’t admit his world view is shrinking rapidly to the worst of the rethugs, reprobates and retards (and yeah, redneck arseholes like George “Macaca” Allen, you know Presidential hopeful… not-so-closet-racist… with a noose and a rebel flag in his office… that jerk).

TV clings tanaciously to his “We found teh WMDz. ” bullshit even tho there isn’t a shred of evidence of the ginormous stockpiles that evil Saddam bin Laden feller had hidden away. 3 1/2 years of searching and all we can dig up are a few hundred artillery shells forgotten since the Iran/Iraq war. No more dangerous than drinking Texas tap water. Whoop-d-f***ing-do.

TV parrots the GOP spewing point memo “Defeatocrats are evil and cheer every US casualty!” party line tho it further divides our nation when we should all be coming together to shoulder the burdens of the future. His divisive and hate filled spew is sad and sick, but what do you expect from a crank who thinks that Crystal Light is healthy fuel for true Patriots?

Hey TV! btw… how is the search for Osama going?
The anthrax killer? (US made anthrax hmmm mmm, so curious eh?)
And how is the Freedom™®© and Democracy™®© movement in the Middle East thing going? What? Elections in the Palestinian territories (hello Hamas) and in Lebanon (hello Hizb’allah). uh, err, good job, bushie?

I just finished “Team of Rivals” an excellent book about Lincoln and his cabinet. Lincoln well deserves the praise and reverance with which future generations will say the hallowed name of Lincoln (the last decent Republican). Shrub will deserve the scorn of all who come after him. What a complete, utter and magnificent failure.

Wow, enkidu, what an intelligent post (/sarc). I asked about the latest casualty figures, and you read into it all that stuff in your little rant? Is it drugs? A drunken stupor? Delusion? Effects of simple-minded hatred? It isn’t necessary for me to allude to you as a frothy fanatic – you provide confirmation without my help. You’ve got serious problems.

btw, in what way does bin Laden pose a threat? What has he managed to do since the daisy-cutter slammed the door on his cave a few years ago except make some silly audio tapes to appeal to the “anti-war” crowd?

Every time I read such evasive, delusional garbage I’m increasingly thankful that the supporters of old stone-faced, robotic John “If I Was President” F’n Kerry lost the last election. You’re concerned about our nation being divided? That’s funny.

The question about the July casualty figures still stands, so I suppose I’m still being a fanatic.

do you even recall writing this garbage?

“or those who seek political leverage/opportunities from troop deaths, I certainly hope their prayers for increased casualties aren’t answered.

One of our local Democrat bloggers recently posted an article in which he stated his hope for another Gander-type incident with a large body count. I could at least have respected the rare demonstration of honesty from a Democrat – if he hadn’t written an article a week earlier in which he expressed his “support for the troops.” -endquote-

So let me see, accusing Democrats of praying for US casualties is all logic and reason and beyond ‘debate’, yet enumerating (in a snarky tongue in cheek bitchslap) your many psychotic pronouncements as well as your Führer’s many foibles and failures is “evasive, delusional”? O… K…

You may recall that Osama bin Laden planned and provided funding for the 9/11 attacks? Or perhaps you have him confused with Saddam Hussien (Don von Rumsfeld’s bosom buddy)? War on Terra? Tora Bora? Hello?

I don’t visit LIES.com much anymore as John seems to be too busy to write much (plus the flood of lies is growing to Katrina proportions – oops sorry to list yet another Bush failure – not). Yet it is comforting to note that you are just as crazy, angry, vicious and stupid as ever.

I wonder how many times a day you visit here, mashing down the refresh button over and over and over, the sweat gleaming off your brow as you methodically clean and oil your assault rifle all the while muttering crazy shit about when open season on LIEberals starts.

I look forward to your Christmas Eve screed. Sure to be a doozy this year! It will be a challenge to top last year’s insanity (but I know you are up to it).

enkidu, you can stop wondering. I visit this site less than once a day on average, never mashing down the refresh button, without a sweaty brow, owning no assault rifle. You are delusional (if you truly believe what you write), and your manhood/adulthood is certainly in question.

Interestingly, John seems to have become “too busy to write much” at a very convenient time in the comparative analysis of troop deaths in Vietnam and Iraq, with the molehill finally reaching the mountain as the corresponding Vietnam timeline finally reaches a wartime status.

Yes, I gave an example of a Democrat blogger displaying enough honesty to express his wish for a greater number of troop casualties. If you find that to be a psychotic pronouncement on my part – considering the value of your opinion – so be it.

No, I don’t have OBL confused with Saddam, who simply hosted terrorists and financed their activities – but both have been neutralized. Your sick mind has been so twisted with hatred and propoganda that you can’t possibly comprehend reality. You are a pitiful creature.

The question about last month’s comparative statistics remains unanswered – indicating that I am still crazy, angry, vicious and stupid? Grow up, little guy.

So, TV. You see John’s “too busy to write much” as some kinda gotcha moment and victory for yourself? Sorry, I dont see it.

By some counts, over 40,000 civilians have been killed so far since our invasion. Iraq is in the middle of a civil war, with Sunni killing Shia, and vice versa. Things are so out of hand, that our government has recently called back Marine reserves. My neighbors who have already served in Iraq are now going back. There is no plan for our troops to leave any time in the near future. The death toll is rising everyday, and things seem to be getting worse, not better.

“Both have been neutralized.” Huh? OBL is still free. Terrorism is on the rise around the globe. Airlines are so paranoid these days, seems one makes an emergency landing every day. Please explain how Osama has been neutralized, as I dont see it. He’s now allowed to hide out in Pakistan, where he seems to have the government under his thumb. Our military is not permited to go there. Nearly five years after September 11th, 2001 he remains at large. As our president has said, Bush doesnt think about him much, and has no idea where he is. To me this is a huge victory for the terrorists. I find it very disappointing that Bush would “cut and run” in the hunt for Osama.

MacacaTV! brilliant! wow! pretty darn nutty

btw TV, since you seem to be too nucking futs to actually use your brain: the site jbc gets those numbers from has US casualties for June 06 at 61 (jbc’s chart says 23 or so? wtf?) July at 43 and August (not quite over) at 61. Iraqi civil war casualties number in the thousands per month btw.

So do you think there is any likelyhood that the evil Demoncrat who lusts after US casualties might be, I dunno, a rethuglican troll just throwing you a bone? Because I don’t know anyone who wants our boys (and girls) to die. And I live in one of the most liberal (ooops LIEberal!) places on Earth (thank God!)

While 62% of Americans think this war is a mistake, you stand on your shrinking island of intolerance and hatred with your fellow rednecks, racists, greedmongers, warmongers and general dipshits. Oh and I forgot religious nutjobs. Soon it will be you and the 20% of Uhmerkins! that think the sun goes around the Earth, then it’ll be you and the 10% who think the Earth is flat (and made in a wink 6 thousand years ago – poof!)

I love the statesman-like ‘pitiful creature’ and ‘little guy’, I suggest you good ol boys start calling each other Macaca! Make it a badge of pride.

Looking forward to your Christmas Eve rant.
I know you are saving up the vitriol for a real purging.
You go girl!

Ya gotta love it! I repeated my request the July numbers again, and some nut-case again uses sarcastic garbage to avoid a response.

jbc has always given the sources of his casualty figures for Vietnam and Iraq, and I’m well aware of those numbers, but simply urged him to show evidence of the intellectual honesty necessary to continue posting the graph. I strongly suspect that it is not a busy schedule that has caused a reluctance to post the comparative data, but that his curiosity of the comparison has abated as the data threatens to disprove his obvious reason for posting it.

enkidu, I know your faith in polling data is secure, but from what poll do you derive that 10% think the Earth is flat? And that 20% think the sun goes around the Earth? I’ve never encountered anyone who believes either premise. That poll could be the same one that cites only 38% of Americans who support the war effort, indicating that all results of the poll are false – as usual.

I do think of you as an immature, pitiful little creature if you are unwilling to accept others who have opinions that differ from your own. I’m intolerant? You’re making me laugh as I read your rambling rant – something about the “pot calling the kettle black.”

Yes, I’m one of the “religious nutjobs” (so labeled by the oh-so-tolerant enkidu) who believes that life has meaning, that behavior merits appropriate consequences, and that I will see my father again – without pain – in a better place. Religion offers a lasting hope that is not available through any other means, and I was blessed with parents who led me down that path. If that is somehow threatening to you, I offer my sincere apologies.

Heh. If I weren’t so busy, I’d be able to supply proof enough of a busy schedule even for _you_, TV.

Anyway, when I do actually update the numbers in a couple of days, are you going to revise your theory to account for the newly discordant data? We’ll see how your own intellectual honesty holds up.

not only are you a intolerant troll, but you can’t read!
it is sickening to think you might actually be a teacher (shudders – the horror!)

allow me to repeat myself gents:
“the site jbc gets those numbers from has US casualties for June 06 at 61 (jbc’s chart says 23 or so? wtf?) July at 43 and August (not quite over) at 61.”

As to the % of fucking morons (ooops bush supporters) who think the sun goes around the earth: how about the National Science Foundation? Oh they used science to learn about reality? Pshaw! Only one book worth reading, eh TV?

“According to an NSF survey done in 2001, 25% of Americans think the sun goes around the earth.” Well waddaya know? It is actually 25% idiots.

If a poll (or any data/facts for that matter) doesn’t support your forgone conclusion it must be a lie… wow Simply amazing the depths of moral and intellectual dishonesty bushco supporters will sink to (swiftboats ahoy! etc etc)

google.com
you might try it some time

Sorry if my request upset you, jbc, but it wouldn’t seem to require much time to plug two numbers into a graph template – unless, of course, the disclaimers are to be adjusted significantly to explain the coming, sudden surge of Vietnam casualties when we finally sent in combat troops. My intellectual honesty will surprise you.

enkidu, allow me to repeat myself: “jbc has always given the sources of his casualty figures for Vietnam and Iraq, and I’m well aware of those numbers….” Apparently I am “a (sic) intolerant troll” who can read!

“According to an NSF survey [read poll] done in 2001, 25% of Americans think the sun goes around the Earth.” Sounds like the poll must have been taken exclusively on the streets of NYC, certainly not in any of my school’s science classes, if the survey actually took place at all, and makes one wonder what the NSF was trying to sell. Of course, the results will be accepted without question after all, it is …. a poll. You said 20% – the NSF said 25% …. applying today’s liberal definition of a “lie,” does that mean that you intentionally misled?

You can’t insult me with a swiftboat reference, since I gave a healthy donation to help support the efforts of those vets. Their book is on the shelf next to my computer, carefully placed between books by Michael Moore and Al Franken.

Now, preach some more tenets of tolerance. Anyone who disagrees with you is a religious nutjob, rethuglican troll, redneck, racist, greedmonger, warmonger, morally and intellectually dishonest dipshit an idiot and a fucking moron a nucking fut who can’t read a crazy, angry, vicious and stupid Nazi — but, of course, you’re …. tolerant! Your juvenile approach to a debate renders you meaningless. In an actual debate forum, you would be severely handicapped, even totally incapacitated. Your temper, lack of control and inability to focus would disqualify you, and you would be unable to formulate an opinion without searching others’ opinions online. By chance, were you one of the four people surveyed by the NSF?

btw, jbc’s figures are accurate for both conflicts, according to the data from his two sources. enkidu, your confusion seems to result from your failure to comprehend my repeated request for the current data.

At present, jbc’s last posted data was for June 2006 (the 40th month of both conflicts, based on his much-debated beginning of the Vietnam War), with 61 correctly graphed. The 37th month accurately graphed 31 (not 23, wtf) deaths for March 2006 (not June). July and August 2006 are not yet included in the graph.

The graph is easy to read, but I think the updated data (when posted) will make it possible for you to understand, enkidu. Or, of course, you could have actually read and comprehended one of my repeated requests. When I asked for the July (41st month) statistics, it should have been clear than June stats were the last ones posted.

Good to see everyone is getting riled up for this fall’s elections!!

This is always a nice headline to wake up to…

Baghdad attacks kill 64, wounds 280

What a fabulous start to the month of September.

hey treehugger, you should either sue these guys or work for em! =)
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/08/the_hybrid_mini.php
0 to 60 in 4.5 seconds for an electric mini cooper

TV, much too busy to trade bon mots with an unemployed rebel crank such as your a-steamed self. The 8th edition of my third book just hit the done pile with a resounding thud after way too much late night work. Suffice to say you will stand firm in your defense of incompetence, greed, stupidity, racism, war and all the other ‘values’ that define the Republican machine.

(shifting gears)
I love how von Rummy rails that we are in a war against fascism. Seems to me that the Rethugs are the party of fascism (state control of info, capital in fewer and fewer hands, military worship, aggressive war policy to ‘make peace’). I am sure Hitler used similar rhetoric to tighten his grip on power (godwins law be damned – call a nazi a nazi). 9/11 is our kristalnacht

This 1946 film from Encyclopedia Brittanica (those commies! -) is absolutely chilling to watch as it amply demonstrates that we are quickly sliding into a flag wrapped burning cross sort of patrio-fascist-despotism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7jGZkaNTa8

Just to wrap up TV, I never promised to be polite, not to swear or pull your spittle-flecked beard, quite to the contrary after reading your posts for months/years I finally decided to see for myself about your WMD claims: pure and utter bullshit, not a shred of truth or honesty anywhere.

Yep, enkidu, you proved that there are others who share your belief that found components of WMD are not actually evidence of WMD, or whatever your belief might be. “After years….“, actually, within moments of my post concerning evidence of Saddams failure to comply with UN demands for complete disclosure, you googled for selective opinions to support your own, of which there are many. “…not a shred of truth or honesty anywhere.” Sorry, but that is pure and utter bullshit.

Keep googling, I’ll keep jerking your chain and giggling at the childish responses.

Three books? I thought Tookie was executed, but I’d be happy to financially support your non-blogging novels if provided with book titles. Everyone needs a good laugh at times.

I have no problem with your habitual hate speech, since that kind of rhetoric from JFnK supporters was instrumental in the voters’ rejection of him. Actually, I delight in the revealing insight it provides, although at times it seems to be the only thing you have to offer. It’s what you do best, so please feel free to continue exposing yourself.

btw, wouldn’t lies.com be the appropriate place for an expose on the most recent developments in the “outing” of Valerie Plame and her honerable husband? /sarc Worthy of note, now that the blame has begun to shift, the NYT states that revealing Plames identity only “might have been” a crime. Is there anything in the anti-Bush arsenal that has not been fabricated?

So now you claim that we discovered all those gigatons of WMDs in Iraq?
Forgive me for saying so, but that is bullshit. I didn’t google opinions, my sources were the IAEA, DoD, DoE, BBC and the Dulfer and Blix reports. Each of your claims were tripe. If there was anything to your wingnut claims, FauxNEWZ would be trumpeting the news 24/7.

As to my books, no way. I am not giving out my name as I don’t want your skinhead or kkk buddies burning down my house or business. Nor do I need some crank spewing hate speech in my Amazon reviews. The three books are on technical subjects that don’t admit to polemics. As they deal with real world science, medicine and so on, I think you would find their lack of faith disturbing.

As to hate speech, get real, look in the mirror. I don’t read books where the author claims that the best way to talk to a liberal is with a baseball bat (or proposes poisoning liberal judges or any other crap that Mann Coulter spews). I think you should just save up the juvenile name calling and demented drivel for this Christmas eve: last Christmas Eve you really put out a doozy of a post, I bet you are really bubbling over with hate for this year’s message.

Hey TV – I will entertain your challenge of is there anything in the anti-Bush arsenal that has not been fabricated? Let’s get started shall we.

1. Bush lied to the American people over the threat from Iraq. It is becoming increasingly clear that America is in much more danger from states such as N. Korea and Iran. Because of this, thousands of brave American lives have been lost and/or altered and the situation is only getting worse, much worse. Even if you supported the President in this endeavour, the war has been executed and managed so badly, it’s laughable that this moron calls himself the “war president”. He is 0-2:
– Fiasco I: Five years after Bush ordered Afghanistan invaded and proclaimed “total victory,” U.S. and allied forces are fighting a losing war against Afghan resistance groups. Afghan heroin exports are up 90%. The U.S. just quietly deployed thousands more troops to Afghanistan to hunt Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri in a desperate attempt to save Republicans from getting clobbered in November midterm elections.
– Fiasco II: “Mission accomplished” in Iraq. Bush’s war in Iraq is clearly lost, but few dare admit it. The U.S. has spent $300 billion on Afghanistan and Iraq, with nothing to show but bloody chaos, deficits, body bags, and growing hatred of America. The Bush/Dick Cheney “liberation” of Iraq has now cost more than the Vietnam War.
2. The world is a more dangerous place since Bush started this war. Terrorist attacks are up worldwide, the middle-east is in turmoil, and he provided Al-Qaeda with a recruitment tool that they could have never came up with.

3. Bin Laden is still at large, and Bush “doesn’t really think about him”.

3. Bin Laden is still at large.

4. The gap between the rich/poor has grown in the last 5 years, after the Clinton admin began to close it.

5. Millions more Americans now don’t have health coverage since 2000.

6. “Brownie” didn’t do a heck of a job. Unless, he meant he was doing a heck of a job f*cking shit up.

7. If this really is a war against “fascism”, then why are tax cuts for the rich being pushed through? Why isn’t the country rallied? Who cuts taxes in the middle of a war?

8. American jobs are being out-sourced at a record pace.

9. This admin has failed to secure our borders.

10. America’s standing in the world has been enormously diminished since this president has came to power. I could keep going, but I’m starting to get depressed.

enkidu, FauxNEWZ did mention the discovery of WMD components a couple of weeks ago. However, they did not harp on it for two full years as the MSM and liberal blog sites did with the false reports in the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson case.

You’re still labeling someone without knowledge of who they are. I don’t know any skinheads or KKK members, and certainly wouldn’t have anything to do with burning houses or businesses.

You don’t read books where the author claims ……… but you somehow know the content of the books?

treehugger, we’ll not agree on many things, but thanks for an attempt at actual discussion. I’ll address the fabrication issues you listed.

1. “Bush lied …” was a very effective mantra for a few years, but is actually the greatest fabrication of all. Bush properly assumed that Saddam had WMD, based on our intel sources and corroborated by separate intel sources of virtually every other nation in this world. In the four years prior to the start of the Iraq War, every leader in the Democrat Party made official statements voicing the same assumption, including Biden, Schumer, Kerry, Kennedy, Berger, Levin, Byrd, both Clintons, Gore, Gephardt, Feingold, Edwards, Nelson, Daschle, Richardson, Albright, Pelosi, Rockefeller, Harman, Bayh, Graham, etc.

As stated by Nancy Pelosi on December 16, 1998, “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.” When the onset of the invasion was delayed Saddam was given ample time to ship the stuff out, as evidenced by the lack of finding the “gigatons” he certainly had earlier. “Bush lied …” Cute, but false, making the rest of your argument bogus.

2. Terrorists attacks are up world-wide? Admittedly, they are more publicized as they are primarily focused on an area roughly the size of one of our medium-sized states, and they are certainly frequent as our enemies fight against the notion of a democracy in the heart of the Middle East.

3. Correct. Bin Laden is still at large, even releasing another movie today, in which he embraces some of his “heroes” who flew planes into…. Whoa, now! How can that be, since Dick Cheney and company actually orchestrated the events of 9/11?

4. I’m in that gap between the rich/poor, but I don’t seem to have the same perspective. Recent data seems to indicate that the poor are better off the last few years – strange.

5. If millions more don’t have have coverage since 2000, it is because they haven’t purchased it. I am absolutely opposed to socialized health care, period.

6. I don’t know who “Brownie” is.

7. Tax cuts have been pushed through to stimulate the economy, and it has worked successfully. It is impossible to give tax cuts to those who don’t pay taxes.

8. True, although there are two sides to that coin. If we cease all out-sourcing, do we also stop other countries from out-sourcing to us? What are the economic consequences? The unemployment rate is the lowest in many decades, and there are plenty of employment opportunities for anyone among the 4% unemployed who really wish to work.

9. True. Immigration has been a problem since 1492. This administration should have fixed the problem decades/centuries ago.

10. America has always been hated in the world, but our standing as the world’s only remaining super-power has certainly not diminished. If you mean, “Why don’t people like us,” try jealousy. We’re not jealous of lesser countries for obvious reasons, and we don’t exist merely for their benefit. We are the most generous, caring nation in the world, as evidenced by the efforts of people from all those envious nations trying to gain entry into the U.S.

There are too many good things going on in this country to get sucked into the trap of constantly thinking like Chicken Little. Life is what we make it, and if the good citizens of Iraq, with their current living conditions, can survive by looking positively to the future, surely those of us in the land of opportunity can do the same. I apologize for not sharing the pessimism, but life is too short to live in self-imposed misery over winning or losing an election.

Sorry TV, but your assertions go completely against actual facts. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to, but I will post the data sources for my statements when I have more time (im at work). I don’t simply pull statistics out of my ass like you seem to do.

It’s also really sad that you equate dissent with pessimism. I think it truly highlights your narrow-minded view of the world and a huge problem with America right now.

I noticed you didn’t address the 0-2 record of “the war president”. At least we agree on something.

Stand by for the factual statistics…

Oh, can you please name all of the good things going on in George W Bush’s America, I can’t seem to think of very many. Thanks.

treehugger – good luck ‘arguing’ with Macaca (oops TV), from my experience you can’t fight fanatical faith with facts and figures. Zealots just won’t believe the truth. Sad really.

Macaca/TV – you are hilarious! Every single numbered point is just too damn funny. Of course Macaca doesn’t know who brownie is… Katrina was a smashing success! Allow me to let some light into your darkness: FEMA director? Katrina fubar? Ring any bells? no? I can see that FauxNEWZ is definitely your channel (studies show that Faux viewers are more likely to believe false assertions like “we found the gigatons of WMDz in I-rak!”). Of course this is just a statistical ‘opinion’ -) Whatever, enjoy your shrinking island of right wing anger and hatred.

When you spew that I am a ‘creature’ don’t you think that sounds just like the rhetoric of the Nazis toward the Jews/Gypsies/Slavs/etc? Perhaps because it makes it easier to demonize and hate something that isn’t human, eh? Easier to justify exterminating them/it, rounding them/it up for the camps/gas chambers etc. Sounds just like the religious fanatics in the middle east. I most certainly will not provide you and your right wing psycho freaks with my personal info because I am afraid of the violence that you folks seem to love so much.

Macaca/TV please list with reliable sources the gigatons of WMDz we have found in Iraq (a few hundred artillery shells from the Iran/Iraq war are not WMDs, the contents are degraded beyond military usefulness [no more toxic than say, Crystal Lite] and they couldn’t be fired in any case). No opinions please: facts only. It was amazingly easy to pop your bubble before and I expect this crop of crap to be similar.

ps – I bet you didn’t bother to watch that video on despotism I linked to… truth hurts

pps – search youtube or (heh) google for the BBC series “The Power of Nightmares” bet you can’t watch the whole thing without severe cognitive dissonance.

Yes, treehugger, I actually did (essentially) address the subjective win/loss record of the USA in my final statement on your point #1. Since the Global War on Terror, including the Iraq War, are still on-going, there is no win/loss record as yet. Thus, it didn’t warrant addressing, except to state that the “Bush lied” lie made the rest of your argument bogus. All of your contentions are based on the fabricated mantra, but I am said to be narrow-minded?

I look forward to viewing the “factual statistics,” although some of the things I “pull…out of [my] ass” are based on real-life observations, not propagandized polls and opinions.

Great job, enkidu. You linked to a 1946 propaganda film that exposed Hitler as a despot. Thanks for the clarification.

Of special note, the film specifies censorship as a sign of despotism gaining a foothold. Bush has been libeled for 6 years, specifically in the Michael Moore docudrama, and now the same people who flocked to the theatres to see his farcical garbage are trying to force censorship of a docudrama that apparently provides an alternate view. I guess selective censorship is acceptable.

The film also clarifies the advantages of democracy. Go, Iraq.

The relevance of the film is “apparent” only if one blindly subscribes to the Bu$hHitler mantra of extremists on the left.

No, I didn’t know who “Brownie” was, since no one by that name was involved in the hurricane episode. I had neglected the propensity of “non-haters” to assign derogatory nicknames. FEMA was about 3rd or 4th in the line of responsibility in response to Katrina, and thankfully they finally arrived (after about 3 days) since those who were primarily responsible failed completely, even in the face of gun-toting thugs while delivering aid.

btw, I switched to iced tea (hopefully as PC as hot tea) so I should become more politically correct any day now. I might switch to hot tea once the Bush global warming ends. I need your advice, though, on which brand is most acceptable and whether it’s okay to use sweetener. For accuracy, please direct me to the appropriate scientific poll.

Oh, and yes, I’m guilty of watching FauxNEWZ. Having also watched plenty of newscasts on CNN and MSNBC, I’ve never found any topic discussed on those channels that wasn’t covered on Fox, but only on Fox am I given contrary views. I realize that you hate it, but the news monopoly is over. As a strict conformist to popular opinion, you should submit to the ratings of all the TV news outlets.

pssst – earth to [email protected]$ wingnut!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050902-2.html
scroll down to third to last paragraph
Preznit Bush was the one who said “Heck of a job Brownie!” to former FEMA director Michael Brown just days after Katrina, but long after it became apparent to anyone with two functioning hemispheres that our gun’mint (my fav nickname for the gov) had failed miserably to respond to a national disaster. Local, state, fed. But I suppose you think 9/11 was a local disaster. My word for it? Atrocity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G7gq7GQ71c
Macaca is George Allen calling a Indian camera man (a US citizen btw) a “Macaca” a racial slur in the part of the world where Allen’s mother apparently grew up. Or it also sounds a heck of a lot like Macaque – a type of monkey. Either way, Republican’s should make this their standard greeting from here on out. Well who is this George Allen anyway and why should I care? Why he may be our next or maybe next after that R President! He is supposed to have a noose and a confederate flag (not sure if its still there tbh) in his home office.

so, who ya gonna believe, your lyin eyes or me!

those links and videos must be fabricated by the evil internets, you know the liberal ones -)

and since you asked SO nicely

we like sun tea here for iced tea
the kids make it in a big glass mason jar and add mint from the garden
any old flavor will do (decaf for the kids usually) heh

Thanks, enkidu. I have a rather large spice garden, and peppermint should do quite well.

Sorry to be such a [email protected]$ wingnut, but I don’t have a lot of free time to spend browsing for articles/quotes/etc. I admit that I’d never heard the Macaca term until you mentioned it. Is George Allen the only Republican you’ve heard use the term, or has it become popular among all of them? Surely it’s not wise to generalize based on stupid statements by a single individual – e.g., I don’t think Sen. Byrd’s use of the “n” word is really common among all Democrats. btw, I’ve personally heard Al Gore use the racial slurs when he thought he was just in his circle of friends, but it is still wrong to generalize and attribute that language to all on the left.

still waiting for all those gigatons of WMDz we done found
please be sure to list a source (that should be fun!)

and I await with bated breath your rendition of “I heard Al Gore say the n word! (at his moonbase where he invented the internets)” Make sure you have some footage or maybe a transcript. And do I really care that Byrd was raised racist 80 years ago, yet recanted how many decades ago? I am pointing out current, real, ‘watch it with your own eyes’ racism, yet you just won’t ‘believe’. Classic(k).

Frankly I am sure both of these claims (WMD and Gore-as-racist) are horseshit, bullshit, and just plain shit. But it will be fun to watch you fly way off the handle while making it all up. Please enlighten me o wise wingnut!

Okay there TV, let’s try to be consistent.

The second post on this page you blab about some Democratic blogger hoping that more US troops will die, implying that all Dems want troops to die for further condemnation of this war. So your charge of stereotyping towards enkidu is pretty hypocritical.

Of course the charge by many on the right that those of us that are anti-Bush are hoping for more deaths is completely upsurd. It’s us that want our troops brought home, not to stay and occupy a country in the midst of a civil war. Or at least sent to capture Bin Laden, where they should have been sent in the first place!

enkidu, if you actually read my post, you’ll see that I witnessed Al Gore being himself “when he thought he was just in his circle of friends,” and he certainly wouldn’t behave that way if cameras were rolling. I suppose you have footage or a transcript to verify the charge of racism against your own father? If not, is your charge believeable?

You want transcripts? I spent some rare time researching for some quotes you can mull over – or, of course, deny.

“Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”

Madeleine Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998

“Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger (Burglar?), President Clinton’s National Security Advisor
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998

“Ten years after the Gulf War and Saddam is still there and still continues to stockpile weapons of mass destruction. Now there are suggestions he is working with al Qaeda, which means the very terrorists who attacked the United States last September may now have access to chemical and biological weapons.”
James P. Rubin, President Clinton’s State Department spokesman
In a PBS documentary titled “Saddam’s Ultimate Solution”
July 11, 2002

“Dear Mr. President: … We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Sincerely,
Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Frank R. Lautenberg, Dick Lugar, Kit Bond, Jon Kyl, Chris Dodd, John McCain, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Alfonse D’Amato, Bob Kerrey, Pete V. Domenici, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Mikulski, Thomas Daschle, John Breaux, Tim Johnson, Daniel K. Inouye, Arlen Specter, James Inhofe, Strom Thurmond, Mary L. Landrieu, Wendell Ford, John Kerry, Chuck Grassley, Jesse Helms, Rick Santorum.
Letter to President Clinton
Signed by Senators Tom Daschle, John Kerry and others
October 9, 1998

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members…
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Senator Hillary Clinton
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

“The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.
13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes.”
“The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. …we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes.”

BOB SCHIEFFER, Chief Washington Correspondent: And with us now is the Democratic presidential candidate Dick Gephardt. Congressman, you supported taking military action in Iraq. Do you think now it was the right thing to do?
REP. RICHARD GEPHARDT, D-MO, Democratic Presidential Candidate:
I do. I base my determination on what I heard from the CIA. I went out there a couple of times and talked to everybody, including George Tenet. I talked to people in the Clinton administration. (emphasis added)
SCHIEFFER: Well, let me just ask you, do you feel, Congressman, that you were misled?
GEPHARDT: I don’t. I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who’d served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we’re worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening. And it was on that basis that I voted to do this.
Congressman Richard Gephardt (Democrat, Montana)
Interviewed on CBS News “Face the Nation”
November 2, 2003

My last post was incomplete. Sorry for any double-posting, but I accidentally hit “Submit Comment” before I was finished with editing. This is the complete version.

enkidu, if you actually read my post, you’ll see that I witnessed Al Gore being himself “when he thought he was just in his circle of friends,” and he certainly wouldn’t behave that way if cameras were rolling. I suppose you have footage or a transcript to verify the charge of racism against your own father? If not, is your charge believeable?

You want transcripts to support evidence of Saddam’s possession of WMDs , (Gigatons was your word, not mine) or documented evidence of his involvement with al Qaeda and other terrorist groups? I spent some rare time researching for some quotes you can mull over, excuse, deny….or, of course, simply ignore. In the words of sincere, honest, credible Democrats:

“We must exercise responsibility not just at home, but around the world. On the eve of a new century, we have the power and the duty to build a new era of peace and security.
We must combat an unholy axis of new threats from terrorists, international criminals, and drug traffickers. These 21st century predators feed on technology and the free flow of information… And they will be all the more lethal if weapons of mass destruction fall into their hands.
Together, we must confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons and the outlaw states, terrorists, and organized criminals seeking to acquire them. Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation’s wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them.”
President William Jefferson Clinton
State of the Union address
January 27, 1998

“Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.
No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.”
Madeleine Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998

“Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger (Burglar?), President Clinton’s National Security Advisor
Town Hall Meeting on Iraq at Ohio State University
February 18, 1998

“Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East.”
Sen. John Kerry
February 23, 1998

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton) states:
“It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.”
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
September 29, 1998

“Dear Mr. President: … We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraq sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Sincerely,
Carl Levin, Joe Lieberman, Frank R. Lautenberg, Dick Lugar, Kit Bond, Jon Kyl, Chris Dodd, John McCain, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Alfonse D’Amato, Bob Kerrey, Pete V. Domenici, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Mikulski, Thomas Daschle, John Breaux, Tim Johnson, Daniel K. Inouye, Arlen Specter, James Inhofe, Strom Thurmond, Mary L. Landrieu, Wendell Ford, John Kerry, Chuck Grassley, Jesse Helms, Rick Santorum.
Letter to President Clinton
Signed by Senators Tom Daschle, John Kerry and others
October 9, 1998

New York — Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.
According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.
“In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq,” the indictment said. (emphasis added)
US State Department
November 4, 1998

“As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
Statement on US Led Military Strike Against Iraq
December 16, 1998

“Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors he will make war on his own people. And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them.”
President Clinton
National Address from the Oval Office
December 16, 1998

“Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq…. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.” (emphasis added)
President William Jefferson Clinton
December 17, 1998

“We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” (emphasis added)
From a Letter to President Clinton, signed by Senators Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford and Kerry.
October 9, 1999

“Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
Madeleine Albright
November 10, 1999

CNN: How did Hussein intend to use the weapon, once it was completed?
HAMZA: Saddam has a whole range of weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological and chemical. According to German intelligence estimates, we expect him to have three nuclear weapons by 2005. So, the window will close by 2005, and we expect him then to be a lot more aggressive with his neighbors and encouraging terrorism, and using biological weapons. Now he’s using them through surrogates like al Qaeda, but we expect he’ll use them more aggressively then.
Dr. Khidhir Hamza, former Iraqi Nuclear Scientist for 20 years
Interviewed on CNN
October 22, 2001

“Dear Mr. President:
The events of September 11 have highlighted the vulnerability of the United States to determined terrorists. As we work to clean up Afghanistan and destroy al Qaeda, it is imperative that we plan to eliminate the threat from Iraq.
This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs.
The threat from Iraq is real, and it cannot be permanently contained. For as long as Saddam Hussein is in power in Baghdad, he will seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. We have no doubt that these deadly weapons are intended for use against the United States and its allies. Consequently, we believe we must directly confront Saddam, sooner rather than later.
Mr. President, all indications are that in the interest of our own national security, Saddam Hussein must be removed from power.”

Sincerely,
Congressman Harold Ford (Democrat, Tennessee)
Senator Bob Graham (Democrat, Florida)
Congressman Tom Lantos (Democrat, California)
Senator Joseph Lieberman (Democrat, Connecticut)
Senator Sam Brownback (Republican, Kansas)
Senator Jesse Helms (Republican, North Carolina)
Congressman Henry Hyde (Republican, Illinois)
Senator Trent Lott (Republican, Mississippi)
Senator John McCain (Republican, Arizona)
Senator Richard Shelby (Republican, Alabama)
Letter to President Bush
December 5, 2001

“Ten years after the Gulf War and Saddam is still there and still continues to stockpile weapons of mass destruction. Now there are suggestions he is working with al Qaeda, which means the very terrorists who attacked the United States last September may now have access to chemical and biological weapons.”
James P. Rubin, President Clinton’s State Department spokesman
In a PBS documentary titled “Saddam’s Ultimate Solution”
July 11, 2002

“As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I firmly believe that the issue of Iraq is not about politics. It’s about national security. We know that for at least 20 years, Saddam Hussein has obsessively sought weapons of mass destruction through every means available. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today. He has used them in the past, and he is doing everything he can to build more. Each day he inches closer to his longtime goal of nuclear capability — a capability that could be less than a year away. I believe that Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi regime represents a clear threat to the United States, to our allies, to our interests around the world, and to the values of freedom and democracy we hold dear.
What’s more, the terrorist threat against America is all too clear. Thousands of terrorist operatives around the world would pay anything to get their hands on Saddam’s arsenal, and there is every possibility that he could turn his weapons over to these terrorists. No one can doubt that if the terrorists of September 11th had weapons of mass destruction, they would have used them. On September 12, 2002, we can hardly ignore the terrorist threat, and the serious danger that Saddam would allow his arsenal to be used in aid of terror.
The time has come for decisive action. With our allies, we must do whatever is necessary to guard against the threat posed by an Iraq armed with weapons of mass destruction, and under the thumb of Saddam Hussein. The United States must lead an international effort to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein — and to assure that Iraq fulfills its obligations to the international community.
Senator John Edwards (Democrat, North Carolina)
Addressing the US Senate
September 12, 2002

“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.
We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Former Clinton Vice-President
Speech to San Francisco Commonwealth Club
September 23, 2002

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Edward Kennedy
September 27, 2002

“We have solid reporting of senior level contacts between Iraq and al-Qa’ida going back a decade. Credible information indicates that Iraq and al-Qa’ida discussed safe haven and reciprocal non-aggression. Since Operation Enduring Freedom, we have solid evidence of the presence in Iraq of al-Qa’ida members, including some that have been in Baghdad.
“Iraq’s increasing support to extremist Palestinians, coupled with growing indications of a relationship with al- Qa’ida, suggest that Baghdad’s links to terrorists will increase, even absent US military action.”
Both quotes from:
CIA Director George Tenet
Letter to Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Graham
October 7, 2002

“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members…
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Senator Hillary Clinton
Addressing the US Senate
October 10, 2002

“There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
Jay Rockefeller
October 10, 2002

“Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons.”
Nancy Pelosi
October 10, 2002

“The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed.
13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes.”
“The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the laser enrichment of uranium support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. …we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes.”
“I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.
There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.”
All 3 quotes from:
Dr. Hans Blix, Chief UN Weapons Inspector
Addressing the UN Security Council
January 27, 2003

“[P]art of this Zarqawi network in Baghdad are two dozen Egyptian Islamic Jihad which is indistinguishable from al Qaeda — operatives who are aiding the Zarqawi network, and two senior planners who have been in Baghdad since last May. Now, whether there is a base or whether there is not a base, they are operating freely, supporting the Zarqawi network that is supporting the poisons network in Europe and around the world. So these people have been operating there. And, as you know…. a foreign service went to the Iraqis twice to talk to them about Zarqawi and were rebuffed. So there is a presence in Baghdad that is beyond Zarqawi.”
Director Tenet
Report to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
February 11, 2003

“We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with…September 11th.” (Huh? But I thought he said….)
President Bush
September 17, 2003

BOB SCHIEFFER, Chief Washington Correspondent: And with us now is the Democratic presidential candidate Dick Gephardt. Congressman, you supported taking military action in Iraq. Do you think now it was the right thing to do?
REP. RICHARD GEPHARDT, D-MO, Democratic Presidential Candidate:
I do. I base my determination on what I heard from the CIA. I went out there a couple of times and talked to everybody, including George Tenet. I talked to people in the Clinton administration. (emphasis added)
SCHIEFFER: Well, let me just ask you, do you feel, Congressman, that you were misled?
GEPHARDT: I don’t. I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who’d served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we’re worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening. And it was on that basis that I voted to do this.
Congressman Richard Gephardt (Democrat, Montana)
Interviewed on CBS News “Face the Nation”
November 2, 2003

“I don’t think there’s any doubt but that there were some contacts between Saddam Hussein’s government and al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden’s people.”
9-11 Commission Vice Chairman Lee Hamilton
News Hour with Jim Lehrer
June 16, 2004

The Commission’s investigation does not dispute that contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda occurred. Chairman Kean and Vice Chairman Hamilton have said that there “definitely” were a number of contacts. Chairman Kean called these contacts “shadowy” — and the Administration agrees with him. These were contacts between a deadly terrorist organization that was seeking support and a country that the Administration knew had supported other terrorist organizations.
“[Y]es, there were contacts between Iraqi and al-Qaeda, a number of them, some of them a little shadowy. They were definitely there.”
9-11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean
News Hour with Jim Lehrer
June 16, 2004

“Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein’s secular regime… A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994.”
9-11 Commission Staff Statement 15
June 16, 2004

I do not apologize for the lengthy post….because I could have included dozens more quotes, dating back to 1998. Are all of these people “liars”…. or did they make self-grandizing pronouncements based on their belief in the word of GWB…. or are they all puppets of W’s…. or have they all changed their minds for political gain…. or out of hatred?

It appears that John Kerry is not the only flip-flopper on the Democrat side of the aisle. I can finally decipher the Democrat plan for fighting the threat of terrorism: hindsight Of course, virtually all of them support taking the fight to terrorists….as long as we don’t confront them where they existin Iraq. Obviously, and sadly, their interests in national security take a back seat to two things: hatred of George W. Bush and their quest for a return to political prominence.

I neglected to close the italics tag during the rambling of Little John, which should have only italicized “clear threat to the United States,” but I doubt that the resulting difficulty in reading the remainder of the post will affect one’s ability to simply dismiss the quotes, anyway.

If quoting Democrats is mean-spirited, exemplifies hatred, or is an example of flying way off the handle, I apologize.

nice quotage
I suppose you used google?
well an angry olde dog can still learn a few tricks I suppose

if you rightwingnuts had your way we would have already had a nuke war with the USSR (the last boogeyman), a nuke war with China (the yellow peril! eeek! a mouse!) and have nuked most of the middle east (plus France! those surrender monkeys!)

You have not shown a single example of WMDz that we actually found.
You stated unequivocally that we found the WMDz: please show some concrete examples. Quotes from cooked intel don’t really cover it (and btw gwb ordered the invasion of Iraq, not Clinton)

Right wing nutjobs have conflated the intelligence for decades. Ya’ll did it for the USSR, Iraq, and now Iran. The most recent House of Reps report on Iran is (to quote the IAEA) a lie.

A few facts (I know these are numbers and facts, but please just try to BELIEVE) Iran’s entire GDP is less than half of what we spend on defense alone every year. Their defense spending is something like $6 billion (lowest per capita expenditure of any gulf region nation). Israel spends almost $8 billion (plus another $2.2b of US mil assistance plus some black ops money). The Saudis spend $25 billion each year (and we know how much the Wahabis love us… mmmmmm warm fuzzies). Currently Iran is sandwiched between a coalition in Afghanistan (hey where is that Osama fella?), and 140,000 US troops (plus some poodles) in Iraq (heckuva job bushie!).

Hey I note you wingnuts claim that we haven’t been hit since 9/11… so we finally caught the anthrax killer? (who happens to use weaponized US made Ames strain anthrax – gee that sounds like an inside job eh? esp since he only sent it to Dem congresscritters – doh!)

ps – more US citizens have died for dumbya’s folly than in 9/11.

pps – still waiting for proof positive of all them WMDz.

I don’t care what politicians said, or what party they were from. I care about the f*ckheads that are managing these wars, obviously they aren’t any good at it. I am almost over that fact they lied to bring us to war, my anger has now turned to “well, they got us here, now get us out, assholes.”

Maybe if Bush actually attended military training and some actual combat, he might, just might, have a damn clue about how to conduct a war.

Has a single General been fired? We are losing wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, yet no one seems to be punished for it, except our troops who are sent out on misguided and mismanaged operations thought of by complete retards in suits probably while they were sniffing cocaine, sipping whiskey and trying to figure out how to shoot a rifle properly. Good grief.

Your statements covered most of the unsubstantiated talking points – great.

There might be some examples of “rightwingnuts” who would propose indescriminate nuking of various countries, but they are isolated examples. If that was the policy of this Republican administration, it would have been done long before now. Such a broad assertion makes you sound stupid, but if making such obviously false charges makes you “feel” good, go for it. btw, that fits perfectly into the actual dictionary definition of a lie.

We found sufficient evidence of Saddam’s possession of WMD in various forms to confirm that he had possessed it. He tossed out the UN inspection teams after making “a mockery of the weapons inspection process” (Pelosi, 1998). Locating many large caches of newly manufactured gas masks, by itself, was sufficient to prove the WMD allegations. No, we didn’t find the large amounts of WMD that had been alleged for more than 5 years (1998-2003) leading up to the war, the obvious conclusion being that they were shipped out to his neighboring buddies during the long run-up prior to our arrival. It might be noted that Syria mysteriously volunteered to donate its own weapons systems for destruction – perhaps to avoid UN inspection team intervention when they were under suspicion as the destination of convoys of large truck shipments shortly before the onset of the Iraq War?

Clinton was implored on several occasions (by those in his own party) to react appropriately to the threat posed by Saddam. The Iraq Liberation Act (signed by Kerry, McCain, et al) stated “It should be the policy of the United States to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein….and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime. In an official letter signed by many leaders within his own party, he was “urged” to “take necessary actions….to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destructions programs“.

A couple of months later, Clinton responded, “Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. Saddam …. weapons of mass destruction …. He will deploy them, and he will use them.”

The next day he announced, “Earlier today I ordered….to strike….their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs….,” so his effective response was to bomb an aspirin factory. You’re right – GWB ordered the invasion of Iraq, not WJC.

The anthrax killer. By your own conclusion that was obviously an inside job, so we both agree that we haven’t been hit by terrorists in the 5 years since 9/11. We see the anthrax incident in different ways (no surprise there). The guy (gal?) could effectively cast suspicion on “right wing nutjobs” if he sent it only to “Dem congresscritters.”

Apparently you’re gullible enough to believe the poorly researched conspiracy theories of three 19-year-old kids, but you bemoan the fact that we haven’t taken care of an “innocent” man, Osama bin Laden. You seem to find yourself in a bit of a dichomy here.

I concur with every point in your list of facts, but they appear to be meaningless since you drew no conclusion to tie them together. The GDP and “defense” spending of Iran, Israel and Saudi Arabia is related to Iran being sandwiched between Afghanistan and Iraq (that’s a bad thing?) …. and?….

treehugger, your statement, “I don’t care …. what party they were from,” is convenient, but not believeable. With the constant repetition of lies (thanks, Goebbels, you were right), you have been suckered into buying into every one of them. However, your statement that you don’t care “what politicians said” (in the long lead-up to the Iraq War) certainly is believeable – sadly and unfortunately – because it’s precisely what I anticipated when I said it could be excused, denied, or simply ignored.

Bush attended no military training? Thanks, Rather and Mapes – you got him. Sorry, but a review of his records shows that he greatly exceeded the required number of hours of training and duty each year. Combat? He has experienced it every day since his first election, and has battled admirably, usually without bowing to the temptation to return fire.

We’re losing both wars! …. without losing a single battle? Sniffing cocaine, sipping whiskey, and trying to figure out how to shoot a rifle properly? Good grief. You’re better than that – think for yourself.

I understand the frustration over losing elections, but making false charges, repetition of lies and name-calling don’t solve personal dilemmas.

hilarious
nearly 180 degrees from reality, but still hilarious

I wish I had as much time as my dear friend Macaca, but to refute just a couple idiocies:

WMDZ. Sorry Macaca, but finding caches of gas masks and the like is not by any stretch WMD. The US makes and deploys NBC protective gear, yet we don’t have massive stockpiles of WMDs…. errrr wait, yes we do, don’t we. Saddam had virtually nothing after GW1 and we (the world) did a pretty decent job of keeping him from getting anything new going. Ever notice that in a country supposedly swarming with WMDz we haven’t found much of anything? Nor has a single intentional attack been made with a real WMD (nookular/bio/chem). I am aware the insurgents have been digging up caches from the Iran/Iraq war and once made an IED with a chem weapon artillery shell. It seems pretty plain that if Johnny Jihad knew he had a bona fide WMD he would use it as such instead of as a IED in his home town (duh).

re: anthrax killer. Nice blame demoncrats first thing you got going there. How do you know it is an inside job? Could it be Iraqis? Bin Laden? US black ops rogue agents (ie Rummy, PNAC, et al)? Al Gore? Not sure what 19 year old kids you are talking about, but I hope they use the sense and reason that God gave them to see the truth for themselves. Regardless, we have been attacked and once again the perps remain free to plot and plan and do it all over again (perhaps bumping up the preznits ratings above 40%).

And to wrap up, it isn’t frustration over losing elections, it is frustration over having them stolen. To cite a single example of GOP ‘engineering’ elections, Youtube or google the Princeton U video on how hackable the Diebold machines really are. They were made to distort votes, not tally them. The wingnutosphere bleets about the BDS, but the only sufferers of BDS are those who think he is a competent president. Or actually elected.

Once again, please cite examples of the gigatons of WMD gigadeath we have uncovered in Iraq.

Great, more repetition of Michael Moore, et al, talking points.

I’ll say it again. No, we didn’t find the WMD that had been removed prior to our invasion… duh… but the huge supplies of newly manufactured gas masks certainly indicate possession prior to shipping them out.

The preznits ratings? Who cares, unless he’s running for the office again?

Nope, the “insurgents” obviously have none of the chemicals, hence they can only “fight” using IEDs. Getting anything into their hands from Syria has been made virtually impossible.

Okay, the Diebold machines are hackable – just as stuffing ballot boxes in Chicago and elsewhere is possible – but any so-called “proof” of the machines having been hacked is merely slanderous speculation. The charges are as false as those in the Plame/Wilson/Bush/Cheney/Armitage episode (but, of course, the charge is all that matters). Some of you folks will fall for anything – conspiracy lovers united!

Several cowardly Rethuglicans in Congress have abandoned ship in the face of constant false mantras, and many conservatives are unhappy with some of Bush’s actions, but lefties are celebrating too early. We are disappointed in Bush’s lack of conservative actions in some areas, but that certainly does not indicate that we are willing to adopt liberal “values.” If polling ever extends into red states, I may get an opportunity to express my own negative opinions of Bush’s spending, growth of government, immigration, education, etc., but the results will be misleading if interpretated to mean that I’ve joined the “other side.” Reworded, my dissatisfaction in some areas does not mean that I now support abortion, higher taxes, socialism, cowardice in the face of islamofacism, etc.

In 2008, given the choice between a conservative Rethuglican and a liberal socialist, I (and millions of other conservatives) will vote conservative – and liberals will again assume that the election was stolen from them after all, the (misinterpreted) polls in years prior to 2008 led all to believe that the Dem candidate was ahead by at least 30 points.

For years, polls have consistently overstated results in favor of Democrat candidates and positions – please name an instance in which that statement was false – leading to a flse sense of polotical security, and leading to the “theft” assumption. Living in a liberal bubble, I suppose it’s easy to accept such beliefs as fact. If I lived in the Hollywood bubble, I guess I could honestly agree that “I don’t know anybody who was in favor of this war,” therefore it’s “Bush’s war!” – 󈭊% of the people in my little bubble hate conservatives,” therefore the election was “stolen!” As I said earlier, some folks will fall for anything.

Macaca, Macaca, Macaca, you are truly a piece of work.

OK, let me see… any poll that doesn’t reflect your ‘values’ is flat out wrong. No need to look at the scientific (oh a curse word!) methodology that goes into making accurate polls, just assume that FAUXnewz is trying to distort the preznits huge popularity into the same below 40% ratings that every other poll on the planet finds him to be wallowing in. Repeating 9/11 (9/11, 9/11, 9/11! Terra! Terra! 9/11, 9/11, boo!) gave him a what? a 2% bump that lasted all of a couple days. The fundamentals of the country can be summed up as follows: throw the bums out!

I know plenty of Republicans… tho to be honest a huge swath went Independant in 󈧈 and some (like say Macaca Allen’s opponent Jim Webb) are now Democrats. Generally we just agree to disagree, politely, respectfully. There are a couple exceptions, who also happen to be the sort who spout racist bile after a couple drinks, or respond to political ‘debate’ with comments how everyone who disagrees with their version of the Truth (religious and political) is an insect. Or a creature. Sounds familiar?

Oh please let us hear your made up story about Al Gore the closet racist. That should be quite the lie. As to my father’s regretable racism, perhaps we should look at this in terms of probabilities. Other than Macaca/TV, does anyone here think it more likely I have observed my father’s repeated racism over the years, or is it more likely that Macaca/TV was sitting around Gore’s secret moonbase while he let loose with a few racist humdingers? Which is more likely? That I am ashamed of my father’s regretable racism? Or Macaca knows Al Gore really really well? Please tell us all about your pajama party with Al Gore! Or are you saving it up for this Christmas Eve’s hate speech? Do tell!

Finally you state categorically that the WMDz are in Syria (after you stated that we found teh WMDz. ). Please provide some evidence. Nothing too wingnutty. Try the DoD, BBC, IAEA, and these things you may not be acquainted with: facts. Try looking that word up in the other good book: the dictionary. And while you are there look up conservative, then look up liberal.

Never have I stated that we found “teh WMDz,” although we did find telling evidence that backs up the charges of Saddam’s WMD programs – as charged dating back to 1998 by both Bill & Hillary Clinton, Albright, Kerry, Gore, Levin, Lieberman, Lautenberg, Dodd, Kerrey, Feinstein, Mikulski, Daschle, Breaux, Johnson, Inouye, Landrieu, Ford, Berger, Richardson, Pelosi, Durbin, Lugar, Bond, Kyl, McCain, Hutchinson, D’Amato, Domenici, Inhofe, Thurmond, Grassley, Santorum, Rockefeller, Graham, Lantos, et al (liars all, eh! – and “tools” of the Bush administration even in 1998 and 1999). Apologies for any repetitions in that 3-dozen listing of names, but many Democrats made the WMD charges on multiple occasions… but please feel free to ramble on.

I certainly did not “state categorically” that WMDz (sic) are in Syria, but let’s play your game with the Syrian possibility that I hypothesized – prove that the WMD that existed in 1998 (according to the reliable sources listed above) was not shipped to Syria.

I’m quite well aware of the difference between facts and wishful thinking. I looked up all 3 of the words when you made the same suggestion months ago. I wish today’s liberals fit that definition. I’ve also researched the meaning of socialism, and I refuse to accept it.

enkidu, you claim to disapprove of racism (which I have never evidenced), but consistently repeat racist slurs? Indescriminate repetion of the “n” word would be no less disingenuous – but please carry on.

So, we now have many ret’d generals finally coming out and telling f*cktard that he is an idiot and pretty much f’d up everything with the Afghan and Iraqi invasions, and at the same time managed to flush America’s credibility down the toilet with respect to the conduct of the war against Islamic extremists.

But hey, what do they know about war? Surely not as much as armchair generals like TeacherVet.

Macaca-san, TV, buddy, please tell me how I have used a racist slur? I may have quoted the n-word while describing some unsavory encounters with rightwingnutjobs, but I am pretty darn sure I have never used such language myself. Disingenuous? Why whatever do you mean? Is it your new 101st fightin keyboardist nickname, Macaca-san? Why, are you actually casting aspersions on the made up word of Virginia Senator George Felix Macaca Allen? I mean if you now think Macaca means something other than just being a made up word (as per Sen Allen), then perhaps you could fill me in on what these meaningless sounds actually mean? Thanks!

You stated the WMDz are in Syria multiple times. Or are you flip flopping? Maybe the Iraqis shipped em to their good buddies the Iranians? Or mb France? As to your ‘debate’, some people might be asking: have stopped beating your wife? Not me, I am just reporting what some might ask… why can’t we debate these very serious alegations? Because the premise is (probably) a false one to begin with. How can I prove that something that doesn’t exist wasn’t shipped to Syria? The entire premise is bullshit. Might as well try to prove the tooth fairy wasn’t in league with both the easter bunny and the illuminati (everyone knows they have them WMDz!)

And finally, how low have we sunk that we are debating how much torture to use on prisoners. We had a Canadian citizen tortured in Syria on suspicions that he might be a terra-ist. Turns out he is (and probably many others) completely innocent. We won WW2 (and WW3 or the cold war) without institutionalizing torture, and the whole idea that America holds some unassailable high moral authority has just been dragged thru the mud, feces and blood of Baghram, Abu Ghirab, Gitmo, and all those eastern european secret prisons that didn’t exist. Err until they did. Yeah. Say, how much torture do you think Jesus would approve of? Genital electrocution? Thumbscrews? Waterboarding? Crucifixion? How about none. None.

It will take America (as opposed to Uhmerkkka, or dumbfuckistan) decades to recover from this disasterous presidency. Heck of a job, bushie!

Sorry, enkidu, but you find it necessary to reword my statements. I did not state or avow, I hypothesized based on the observance of trucks enroute from Iraq to Syria on the eve of the invasion. If the sruff never existed, did all those lib Democrats in my last post “lie”?

The administration has never endorsed torture, and any speculation is merely that – hypothesized speculation to fit convenient, preconceived notions. Yes, some formerly detained terrorist suspects have made accusations they know how to play to their naive audience, yourself included. They, the leaders of Iran and Venezuela, and you are all on the same page.

The “M” word? As a descendant of slaves I should be offended by a racial slur, but I do the same as when labeled with the “n” word – consider the source. You object to the use of Allen’s offensive language, but adopt it into your own vocabulary, using it freely (liberally?). I think you might have learned more about racism and hatred from your dad than you wish to realize.

It will obviously take many Americans decades to recover from the election of this president, as evidenced by their continuing 2000 battle for the White House.

You’re vulgar, offensive, and obsessed with racism and hatred, but at least you’re incoherent (insert smiley-face).

Macaca-san, I am pretty sure the there are many trucks on the road between Damascas and Baghdad. You wrote that you observed them yourself? Perhaps you could google some photos of these convoys? And a bill of lading as to their contents? What? No? So then by the bush doctrine, we must preemptively assume that EVERY truck between Damascas and Baghdad was/is carrying WMDz.

Iraq had no real WMD capability and had shown zero intent or capability to deliver said imaginary weapons to US or even US allies. If they had all this gigadeath, and had such chummy relations w Palestinian terra-ists, wtf didn’t they use them to hit Israel? No, the paying of suicide bomber families was a sick ploy to gain favor on the arab street.

So if the Canadian gov (now a more right wing version btw) finds that the US had their citizen tortured in Syria, are they just being naive? Or do you think the real truth that the wingnut crowd thinks torture is AOK might reveal anything? We haven’t gained much by torturing folks (and it is happening way more than Macaca-san would admit), most of the actionable intel has come from breaking the average AQ fanatic just by showing them we are human, we won’t dismember them and we don’t torture… well, maybe that last one not so much…

TIME magazine has a article where they lead off with (and I am quoting here from the Sept 25, 06 issure, page 19) “What kind of race is this? Embattled Virginia Senator George (Some of My Best Friends are Macaca) Allen, “ So clear this up for me please, is it:

A
Macaca is a racial slur from his mom’s birthplace (possibly some sort of slang like monkey? or macaque?)

B
Just some made up nonsense syllables (as per Sen Allen)

So now you are claiming to be a black man that Al Gore told a racist joke to? Please tell all! We are here to expose lies and if brainiac Al is also racist Al, lets hear the allegations (please provide corrobarating details, like say some facts, recordings, transcripts, even just date, time, and location – possibly others who were within earshot). Thanks!

Say, while you are making shit up and pulling it wholesale from your ass, could you also please detail where the WMDz are? In Iraq, Syria, wherever you can find some real info would be great. Then send it to the whitehouse. Thanks again.

And you too are vulgar, offensive, obsessed with how libs are evil, you are full of hatred, blah blah, stupid, blah blah, incoherent, blah blah etc etc. Please save up the vitriol and condesention for your Xmas Eve message.

You’re nuts – please keep it up, and suggest to me how I can get your voice out to the greater public. This kind of stuff was very useful when I took a two-month sabatical leave to broadcast it in central Ohio prior to the 2004 election, and your actual voice needs to be heard by the voting public.

Yes, my mother’s grandmother was black. That racial influence is not evident in my appearance, especially with my blond hair, but I have proudly proclaimed it in my classes (40+% of our community is black, and I am accepted as such in the black community). Go ahead and use the “n” word – it won’t bother me, and will be much more honest on your part.

Al Gore racist statement? November 2002, Nashville, TN, trying to impress his friends with unnatural humor and flippancy.

I don’t know where the WMDz are do you? Opps, forgot, they never existed – all those Democrats lied, and thousands of dead Kurds are now resurrected.

Please point out an instance in which Bush, Cheney or any Republican endorsed torture… or are you mind-reading again, then “making shit up and pulling it wholesale from your ass”? Or, do bumper-sticker slogans constitute fact? If so, then “Shit Happens,” leaving room for no arguments.

Since you bring it up regularly, please point out examples of my vulgarity, racism, etc…. then, ask me to do the same with you. As with you, I never promised to be civil or polite, but your own posts illustrate that insults and foul language only demean the message.

If you mean “nuts” like the rejoinder of General McAuliffe to the nazi surrender demand in Bastogne, then you got it right mr angryrightwingnutjob.

Please do include all my posts (not just cherry picking the bit here n there, a bit of editing, some shit you pulled from your posterior, etc etc, viola! mini-swiftboat-moron). Here are some suggestions for items you shoud include: Make sure you include Dick Cheney’s sickening “go fuck yourself!” on the Senate floor. That is probably my favorite! Make sure more GOoPers hear that. And that 25% of Uhmerkkkins think the sun goes around the earth! Also make sure you share the NIE report that is being held back (until after the election of course) that says Iraq is making the war on terror worse. Include elections in Palestine, Lebanon, a failed Iraq war of greed, Afghanistan sliding back into chaos, Katrina, the US economy, national debt, national unity, American values (which now evidently include torture), sweet Jesus what hasn’t this president fucked up? Heck of a job bushie!

Since you love bludgeoning others with your ancestry, perhaps you should write Senator Allen and ask him what Macaca means? You still haven’t cleared that up for me. I will continue to use it affectionately for you macaca-san until you clear up what these nonsense syllables actually mean. Did you know Allen once hacked the head off a doe and then found a black area of town where he stuffed it in some random family’s mailbox? You stormGOoPers have a near monopoly on racist bilge but you turn a blind eye to this rampant sickness. Please give us all the details of your Al Gore story, should be worth a laugh or two. I don’t use the n-word, but cling tightly to your illusions if it gives you comfort.

Speaking of illusions, you have stated we found the WMDz over and over (or mb they are in Syria! or mb the Easter bunny has em! or that unicorn!) Yet you can’t back up your statements with any facts or reliable sources. None of your bloviating has has panned out to be true. None.

As to your vulgarity, does calling a citizen who disagrees with you an asshole count? A creature? Traitor? Socialist? I don’t have time to dig it all up, but my favorite was your comment where you start almost every paragraph with the word asshole! You sure do talk purty, macaca-san.

rethugs, reprobates and retards
redneck arseholes
your Fuhrer
mthodically clean your assault rifle
muttering crazy shit about open season on Liberals
fucking nuts
rethuglican troll
hatred with your fellow rednecks, racists, greedmongers, warmongers, and general dipshits
religious nutjobs
intolerant troll
fucking nutjobs (oops, Bush supporters)
unemployed rebel crank
morally and intellectually dishonest dipship
crazy, angry, and vicious nazi
your skinhead or kkk buddies
horseshit, bullshit, and just plain shit
dumbass wingnut
wingnut (used frequently, obviously a favorite “debate” tool)
mr angryrightwingnutjog
mini-swiftboat-moron
Uhmerkkkins
macaca-san
stormGOoPers
Farking octa-moron

Can you say, “Thanks, Dad”? He must have been a great teacher.

I surely missed some of your skillful, intellectual debate rhetoric just on this string, but you asked me to “clear up some of those nonsense syllables”…And you get upset when you are recognized as an asshole, creature, traitor and Socialist, or when your so-called tolerance is questioned? lol

Need more – we have an election coming up. I don’t have time to search all of your fabulous posts, so this string will have to suffice. Btw, did you have a point to make?

That NIE report was actually leaked, and surprise surprise, the US intelligence community says that the fiasco that is now Iraq has increased worldwide terrorism, provided Al Qaeda with the ultimate recruitment tool, and has made America mush less safe.

Let’s see how this gets spun, shall we.

The latest was in World Magazine, a big-circulation evangelical weekly:

Allen actually had a pretty credible defense for what he said. No one–including The Washington Post, which featured the story repeatedly for several weeks–ever demonstrated that “macaca” really has such murky racial connotations in any language. But in northern Italy, where Allen’s mother had close family connections, “macaca” does seem to mean “clown” or “buffoon.” Allen says now that’s what he was trying to communicate.

Perfect! So, Macaca-san, are you saying your nickname is A) mispronounced ‘mohawk’ B) nonsense syllables C) clown or buffoon D) a racist slur? I knew it was C all along buddy.

And with ‘regard’ to your list of salty language? Who gives a fuck? Unlike you, I never pretended I was using only the most genteel phrasing. Quite the opposite in fact (there are those pernicious facts again!) I am not offended by your bad language Macaca, just pointing out the many instances where you use offensive language to frame the debate in terms that simply do not have any merit. Go ahead, show voters in Ohio what an Independent voter thinks of the far right wing of the Republican party. Just use the entire post rather than trimming it to the swear words. btw you misspelled many of them in your rage. Plus you missed one of my favorites: fucktard.

Again and again you claim we found the WMDs. Please show us some proof positive. Something from the IAEA, or maybe DoD, DoE, BBC, GAO, skip sources like powerline and lilgreenfootballs.

GWB has been a disaster of a president. Again and again you claim Bush is a competent leader. Please show some examples. Other than jamming Strip Search Sammy into the Supreme Court, tax cuts for millionaires and a few hundred thousand dead Iraqi’s, you don’t have a whole lot to crow about.

If you had any facts to back up your typically outrageous far right wing (shall I add the nut? spose I just did) claims, we could actually have a ‘debate’, but as it is your spew is the usual hash of bumpersticker GOP jingoism. You folks should concentrate on defeating Osama and Co. rather than the evil Democrats.

Here is a picture of all the WMD they have found in Iraq:

The point being that your immature personal attacks demean and disguise any message that might sometimes be included in one of your lengthy rants. But, if that’s the only argument you have…

I know this will disturb you, sending you over the edge again, but as usual you’re wrong about the macaca term. You once acknowledged that it is a racial slur (which it is), but now you say you “knew all along” that it means clown or buffoon. If that’s the case, why have you always included it as an example of Allen’s “racism”? Whatever fits at the time, eh?

Please provide your source of the story about the doe’s head and the mailbox of a random black family. You’ll fall for any charge that fits your preconceived notion, as with the Bush/Cheney/Libby/Wilson/Plame/Armitage/Fitzgerald garbage that was “reported” to exhaustion, including on this site. Of course, it’s the charge that matters, regardless of truth.

Having answered your redundant question about WMD numerous times, it no longer warrants a response. Go back and read my earlier posts.

This teacher received his tax cut, as did all of my friends, and we’re certainly not millionaires. Bumpersticker jingoism?

You never respond to a question, but I’ll try once again: You’ve alleged repeatedly that I refer to Democrats as “evil.” On what occasion did I label Democrats as such?

Cowards, yes. Filled with rage and hatred, yes. Running campaigns of lies, slander and libel, yes. Short-sightedness, yes. Patriotic, no. Willing to sacrifice national security, if necessary to win an election, yes. Using government dependency to keep the slaves on the plantation, yes. Endorsing and applying Margaret Sanger’s dreams of eugenics, yes. Evil, no, I’ve not used that label – but you can draw your own conclusions.

I will certainly use your posts in their entirety it’s not necessary to “trim” them to just the childishness and vulgarity, since that is usually the only thing you have to offer. We have an election coming up, and you’re a heckuva campaigner. I worked Tennessee in 2000, Ohio in 2004, and I’m narrowing down my choices for my upcoming 2-week leave of absence. I appreciate the material, and you’ll win lots of votes, but don’t assign yourself too much self-importance. Mean-hearted liberals are a dime-a-dozen, and I use several of you from various left-wing hate sites as my living examples. I think you’re aware of your rights, but I remind you that “Anything you say can, and will, be used against you” in the court of public opinion.

My rants? Lengthy? Scroll up buddy. The guy who was with Allen when he shot a doe and cut off its head to stuff into a black family’s mailbox is Doctor Ken Shelton. I think I saw him on hardball the other night, try google or youtube.

When you go to another state to pitch your lies and extremism, please lead with this (which I think is short hand for “evil”)

“Democrats… Cowards, yes. Filled with rage and hatred, yes. Running campaigns of lies, slander and libel, yes. Short-sightedness, yes. Patriotic, no. Willing to sacrifice national security, if necessary to win an election, yes. Using government dependency to keep the slaves on the plantation, yes. Endorsing and applying Margaret Sanger’s dreams of eugenics, yes.”

I am sure lots of Dems will be converted, Independents swayed and Republicans made yet more fervently GOP. And you chide me for intolerance? You are to laugh! So which of your several positions on WMDs are you now taking Mr FlipFlop?

Here is a quote from old stone face John Kerry (thrice the man you are)
“Let me be clear about something—something that it seems few people are willing to say. This bill permits torture. It gives the President the discretion to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions. No matter how much well-intended United States Senators would like to believe otherwise, it gives an Administration that lobbied for torture just what it wanted.”

I ask again: Who Would Jesus Torture
shame on you, shame on us for letting this happen, shame!

ps – Keith Olberman got your letter I hear

I promise to lead with precisely that material – then use unedited posts to develop proof of each charge, using your own words and those of others of your ilk. You tend to find isolated instances of lone individuals saying stupid things. I find numerous instances by many who consistently spout vitriolic hatred.

Doctor Shelton’s little story has been denied by everyone who knew Allen at the time it supposedly happened, including those who do not support him. Of course, Shelton is aware that the charge (as always) is all that matters.

(sarc) Keith Olberman is a wonderful, objective, unbiased reporter, typical of all in the MSM. If he has a political agenda, surely he doesn’t allow it to show, so why would I write him a letter? (/sarc) Your imagination is vivid, but the charge that i wrote a letter to him is indicative of liberal lies. I wouldn’t waste 39 cents or a sheet of paper on him, but you make an assumption and treat it as fact. Typical of all charges made against all conservatives – unfounded, untrue, etc. (See previous post for statement about the outing of a non-secret agent).

(sarc) Speaking of lacking a political agenda, please quote John Kerry. There are some meaningful and revealing Teddy quotes out there, too. (/sarc)

Jesus would torture no one, and neither would Bush. Of course, Kerry would disagree – after all, he was tortured by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, otherwise known as voters, and his every statement makes Republicans more fervently GOP… thankfully.

I think the problem right-wingers have with Olberman is that he speakith to elegantly, often using words that most people on the right don’t understand. But he does have a magical way with words, and facts. See latest post on lies.com.

Think of him as the left’s answer to O’rielly, only with much more sophistication and a hunger for, hmm, what are those things called again… oh yeah, truth and facts.

I must apologize for inferring otherwise, but I don’t know Keith Olberman. After enkidu mentioned something vague about my supposed letter to him, I searched and learned he had a show on MSNBC. Wow, he uses words that only those on the “left” can understand. Impressive.

Bush and Co. have had many people – guilty and innocent – tortured.
That is a fact. Sadly it is one of many facts that right wing fanatics like Macaca-san just cannot face. It is the truth. You can’t believe away the overwhelming evidence forever.

Like the overwhelming evidence that George ‘Macaca’ Allen is a not-so-closeted racist. So Macaca-san, is your nickname some kind of slur? Really? So are you calling the great GOP Senator a bigoted jerk? Or only ‘evil’ (shorthand – see previous comment) LIEberals and Demoncrats for mocking your ridiculous faith in a bigoted, corrupt and incompetent bushco regime? If not, I do believe you owe me an apology (plus all that nasty stuff you spew about my father, that is real classy! keep up Jesus’ work in your heart buddy!)

So how about that Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL)? There is yet another family values GOP cretin revealed for what he is: a closeted gay hypocrit, corrupt to his core values. Why don’t you go help the GOP replacement campaign in FL? Or go to Ohio again and knock on doors in the inner cities. Announce loudly that you are a black man. coming to disenthrall his brothers and sisters. then lead right into your most persuasive screed: “Democrats… Cowards, yes. Filled with rage and hatred, yes. Running campaigns of lies, slander and libel, yes. Short-sightedness, yes. Patriotic, no. Willing to sacrifice national security, if necessary to win an election, yes. Using government dependency to keep the slaves on the plantation, yes. Endorsing and applying Margaret Sanger’s dreams of eugenics, yes.” If the person in question slams the door in your face or tells you to stuff it, yell asshole! a half dozen times to exorcize them demons. This will surely convince moderate Independents such as myself of the superior wisdom of your ways. Or maybe you only knock on doors where the SUV out front has a “support the troops” ribbon magnet?

I went back and read your Christmas Eve screed. You are a sad sick man. I am moved to pity and sadness when I think of how much you hate them libs and dems for betraying your glorious wars (Vietnam and Iraq). I also read a few exchanges I had with Craig over White Phosphorous in the same Dec05 timeframe: the back and forth was polite and completely unlike our pissing match dear Macaca-san.

Look in the mirror Macaca, you need help. Up your meds and seek some professional counseling. Try not to shoot anyone in the face. Cheers!

ps
here is (one of the many reasons) why 3 out of 4 Iraq War (2) vets are running as Democrats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8zQA1gYwpk
I hope Jim Webb kicks Macaca’s ass with the combat boots his son gave him to campaign in before he deployed to Iraq (Jimmy is there right now btw). He wears nothing else on the campaign trail.

Monkey-boy here! Do you mean Jim Webb, the non-racist? Someone accused him, so it must also be factual, right?

You know, of the countless scores of charges that have been made against Bush and conservatives in general, I can’t think of any, none, that have been proven with conclusive evidence. That is central to my conclusion that “the accusation is all that matters” to power-hungry liberals.

I will be discussing the issues with town-hall audiences, not door-to-door, and will be accompanied by (among others) several dark-skinned conservatives. You asked that I lead with my descriptions of those on the extreme Left who now dominate the Democrat party. I promise to do so, then prove each charge as briefly outlined following:

Cowards: Using transcripts of speeches by Democrat leaders and posts on blog sites.

Filled with rage and hatred: The material is abundant, thanks to you and your ilk.

Running campaigns of lies, slander and libel: See my second paragraph above.

Shortsightedness: Abortion, and it’s negative political consequences for its proponents, is a great place to start. I also include the statements/predictions/conclusions made by Professors Alexander Tyler (University of Edinburgh) and Joseph Olson (Hamline University School of Law).

Lack of patriotism: Consistent ridicule of visible signs of patriotism (flag-waving, window stickers supporting troops, etc.) As an example, see the ridicule in your last statement above – the one about kicking someone’s ass with combat boots.

Willing to sacrifice national security, if necessary, for political gain: The Congressional speeches are innumerable.

Using government dependency to keep the slaves on the plantation: Starr Parker provides much of the material, with more from the professors noted above, and the Katrina tragedy also provides reinforcement.

Endorsing and applying Margaret Sanger’s dreams of eugenics: Starr Parker again, with the startling statistics and personal testimony she provides.

Hypocrisy: The sources are endless, from both Clintons, Teddy, Dean, Kerry, and on and on.

Everything will be delivered with the utmost professionalism. Having plenty of factual evidentiary material to support our arguments, we have no need to rely only on sophomoric vulgarity, innuendo, or vivid imaginations. We certainly might fail, but the effort will be honorable. We fully expect to be attacked, but we will not resort to anything but a presentation of the accumulated facts.

You seem to be obsessed with the notion of shooting someone in the face, but I need professional counseling? btw, I take no meds, but why deflate an over-active imagination of a “moderate Independent,” (laughing almost to tears) – so carry on.

gee Macaca-san, seems like I really hit a nerve there. Please talk to your doctor before you stop the anti-psychotic medicines. The cold-turkey method is making you very cranky (crankier).

I have asked you over and over to show some proof of your claims that we found the WMDz. You have nothing. Oh wait they are in Syria! They are in Iran! mb the easter bunny has em? You flip flop so fast, I think we should hook you up to an electrical generator (maybe in series with the rapidly spinning corpses of our Founding Fathers). Might help offset our dependence on foriegn oil.

Please lead off every town hall meeting with this (which is so farking crazy it borders on the insane, but that is the present day GOP for you):

“Democrats… Cowards, yes. Filled with rage and hatred, yes. Running campaigns of lies, slander and libel, yes. Short-sightedness, yes. Patriotic, no. Willing to sacrifice national security, if necessary to win an election, yes. Using government dependency to keep the slaves on the plantation, yes. Endorsing and applying Margaret Sanger’s dreams of eugenics, yes.”

I am sure that will convince TONS of Independents and Dems to vote for the GOP. btw what does GOP stand for again?
Greedy Olde Perpetrators?
Gormy Old Pedophiles?
Grasping Obstreperous Page-chasers?

The cover up just makes the crime worse folks, have you learned nothing from Watergate? Other than don’t get caught (of course). And even that lesson appears to have fallen to GOoPer hubris and stupidity.

Finally, I can see how this wouldn’t be covered in your neck of the woods: Vice Preznit Cheney shot a man in the face while quail hunting. Drink was involved, but not investigated. Lack of judgement was involved, but no responsibility was ever assigned or assumed. Just one of those things!

I’ve answered your always-repeated question about WMD many times. If you want an answer, re-read any one of my recent posts.

No one has the moral right to question the circumstances of the Cheney hunting accident if they spout the same language as the man who allowed a young girl to drown in his Oldsmobile. With Cheney, no responsibility was ever assigned or assumed? Sorry, but you’re wrong on all counts. His “guilt” was both assigned and assumed by happy lefties everywhere, yourself included, and he accepted responsibility himself.

Wish to discuss hypocrisy? Let’s discuss party reactions to Gerry Studs (D) vs. the Florida pervert (R). Studs gets three standing ovations from his liberal colleagues after being censured for actually having sex with an underage page, while the disgusting written correspondence of the Florida perv is condemned by everyone in the GOP, including this Monkey-boy.

Before generalizing your judgments, you might want to wait to find out who saved the IM conversational records for up to three years, then gave them to the MSM just before the mid-term elections… flash-back to Plame and Mapes/Rather. After all, it is you who disavows opinions without proven facts… right?

So… you have no evidence of WMDs in Iraq or anywhere else
wtf are we over there for again?

The Foley scandal isn’t just about he crime of being gay (which is only a crime in Reichwingnut minds btw), the scandal is also about GOP leadership knowing this for at least 5 years (some reports now say as far back as 2000 the only openly gay GOP ‘member’ was informed of Foley predator sickness). i know you want to make this all about the vast left wing conspiracy, but i doubt Pelosi is competent enough to mastermind this whole sh!tstorm

Sex with minors is a crime, if Foley didn’t have sex with minors well, that is for the judge to find out. Studds (who i had never heard of before you parroted the GOP stalking points) evidently did not have sex with a minor (or he would be in prison). Foley was the hypocrit WHO WROTE THE LAW that he will probably go to jail for violating (internet predation on anyone under 18). Covering it all up just makes the ditch deeper. Stop digging.

It is time for Democratic oversight of a regime that is out of control. Two words: subpoena power

GOP values include: torture, kickbacks, underage gay sex scandals, coverups, unjustified war, bogus intelligence, corruption, bloated fed spending, katrina, Iraq and soon to be Iran. What exactly hasn’t he fucked up? Oh yeah, Alito on the Supreme Court and Pakistan is barely holding together under a military dictatorship. Overall grade: F+


Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

WASHINGTON – The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.

FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.


Watch the video: Stupid vicious pothole sinkhole beside Route Irish, Baghdad Iraq june 2006 (January 2022).